lomackman Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 So Kolpack can report the same story in the newspaper, but if I state it here, I have made it up? Ridiculous. Douple stated he lied to the media and public about the nickname keeping UND out of the Summit, and he stated Kelley knew it. That is out there, and you can't sweep it under a rug. Where was his proof? You took him at his word because you simply wanted to believe it. When I tell a true story it is always where's the documented proof. I now ask where is his! Show me the documented proof! Oh wait you can not since you have none. This being the case I can now say he made it up and you have to prove me wrong.. Quote
Bison Dan Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 I have no illusion that the first move by the NCAA will be to move us back onto the H&A list...To the contrary, we need this to happen so we can start negotiations as soon as possible with the NCAA to find a resolution since the environment has changed since the agreement. I am sure you will tell me that the NCAA has all the leverage and all the power which they may do, but I have realized that everything is negotiatable and I am still holding to this opportunity to have calm minds discuss and find a path forward. I do not know of your lawyer skills personally, but I would think it safe to assume that you have advised many clients and probably have influenced many other parties to move forward when they thought there was no option to move the opposing party off a position to only find out, after the lawyers have met, that there was room for compromise and a settlement on a path forward. Maybe it is optimistic, but remember that only one month ago we were all resigned to the supposed fact that the name and its history were goners - low and behold, its still alive and we are in a better position since the beginning of this travesty. So who knows, but I'm not willing to give in... BobIwabuchiFan It will be interesting to see how this affects fb recruiting this fall. Final year of transition and first class not in transition but no chance of any home games in playoffs. Looks like all the hockey people have scared off the lessor sports posters. But then there never was many of them anyway. Quote
lomackman Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 It will be interesting to see how this affects fb recruiting this fall. Final year of transition and first class not in transition but no chance of any home games in playoffs. Looks like all the hockey people have scared off the lessor sports posters. But then there never was many of them anyway. More like they like to chase off anyone who does not take their lifeblood from the "Hak Fountain of Kool-Aid". Jim Jones would have smiled at this group and thought, "Oh this is a simple-minded group that I can manipulate". Quote
ksixpack Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 The "real fight ing Sioux" are alive and well and they are doing whatever it is they are doing. We aren't really Sioux Indians you know. Who are you going to fight with? Most people here want to fight with Faison and Kelly or the SBoHE or for that matter anyone else on this board who might question what the best strategy and plan is at this time. We criticize the Gophers and Badgers but are going to rely on their goodwill to schedule us in the future?? That isn't any smarter than trusting the State Legislators who hate UND to have done something good for us with this legislation in the first place. Who are you going to meet with to educate them on what UND does for Native Americans? Don't you think the opponents won't do the same and contradict everything you might say? Don't you think the people at the U of Minnesota, Wisconsin and Iowa are not already aware of what UND offers? They were aware years ago when I worked for UND. Who are you going to make those few phone calls to? The Wizard of Oz? I don't think even the Wizard of Oz is going to get Standing Rock to vote or give us support on this but I agree with you that is the best solution. At White Earth, when the people don't like what the council does or doesn't do, they throw them out. They could do the same at Standing Rock. I believe if they voted it would be similar to the vote at Spirit Lake but I don't think the "real fighting Sioux" think it is all that important or they would have gotten this done. The people at the NCAA are the same ones who have been inconsistent with enforcement of their policies for years. They aren't going to change on our behalf unless forced to. We can win in court and I am not convinced that is likely unless Native Americans bring suit based on being discriminated against. I don't know though because I am not an attorney. We can get Standing Rock to support the name. We are wasting time whining about Kelly, Faison or the SBoHE. We need to lobby Standing Rock, the NCAA or successfully litigate. Anyone have any other ideas I would like to hear them. Failing that .then we either change the name or leave it and live with the results and sanctions. There is clearly no agreement on which of those options is best. Hey, Ace, I was referring to the Warriors of the 18th century that our University is named after...I was quite sure I am not Sioux...As for your many questions... I will fight for what's right, what has been tradition for 80+ years, what I believe in, and what is trying to be taken away from all of us under false pretenses... I guess I would meet with those that are making the decisions not to schedule us...duh... I wouldn't care what the nick name opponents do or say as I have facts and truth on my side... No I don't think Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa have a clue what UND offers...if they did they would have no problem doing business with us... I don't have the phone number for the Wizard of Oz but I could probably find the number of the administrators making these decisions... I agree that lobbying Standing Rock is the answer...the council is an elected representation and I would believe that in the near future there will be a council that will allow the vote at Standing Rock that would solve all our problems which is why we need to keep fighting until that happens. Faison, Kelly, SBOHE want to throw the towel in now without the good people of Standing Rock ever getting their say and that sir, is why the majority of us are so angry with them. 2 Quote
lomackman Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Hey, Ace, I was referring to the Warriors of the 18th century that our University is named after...I was quite sure I am not Sioux...As for your many questions... I will fight for what's right, what has been tradition for 80+ years, what I believe in, and what is trying to be taken away from all of us under false pretenses... I guess I would meet with those that are making the decisions not to schedule us...duh... I wouldn't care what the nick name opponents do or say as I have facts and truth on my side... No I don't think Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa have a clue what UND offers...if they did they would have no problem doing business with us... I don't have the phone number for the Wizard of Oz but I could probably find the number of the administrators making these decisions... I agree that lobbying Standing Rock is the answer...the council is an elected representation and I would believe that in the near future there will be a council that will allow the vote at Standing Rock that would solve all our problems which is why we need to keep fighting until that happens. Faison, Kelly, SBOHE want to throw the towel in now without the good people of Standing Rock ever getting their say and that sir, is why the majority of us are so angry with them. You act more like an angry three year old who did not get their way, What facts and what truth do you have on your side and proof of what you say is the truth backed by empirical evidence. What happens then if a different council is elected after the one who you think will support you and says the logo has to go? Then what will you do? Say that that council does not listen to their people? If you support the Lakota, Nakota, or Dakota so much then why are you not lobbying to help them get the money the governent ows them from their trust accounts? Or for that matter help them get their land back that was s tolen from them? Why don't the pro-logo supporters go to one of the reservations and help tutor kids with math, reading, or whatever? 1 2 Quote
ksixpack Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 You act more like an angry three year old who did not get their way, What facts and what truth do you have on your side and proof of what you say is the truth backed by empirical evidence. What happens then if a different council is elected after the one who you think will support you and says the logo has to go? Then what will you do? Say that that council does not listen to their people? If you support the Lakota, Nakota, or Dakota so much then why are you not lobbying to help them get the money the governent ows them from their trust accounts? Or for that matter help them get their land back that was s tolen from them? Why don't the pro-logo supporters go to one of the reservations and help tutor kids with math, reading, or whatever? You post like a 3 yr old...do your parents know you spend a lot of time on this forum... By the way, my wife is Native American so don't go there... The vast majority of us pro-logo supporters want the people of Standing Rock to have their say and we will live with the results of their vote up or down...but what I can't stand is the voice of the entire reservation being squelched by a few on the tribal council...that is not right and even you should agree with that. 1 Quote
Sioux-cia Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 you support the Lakota, Nakota, or Dakota so much then why are you not lobbying to help them get the money the governent ows them from their trust accounts? Or for that matter help them get their land back that was s tolen from them? Why don't the pro-logo supporters go to one of the reservations and help tutor kids with math, reading, or whatever? Quit muddying the waters. This issue was discussed ad nauseaum in years past. AND if I recall correctly, your side lost. There are more non-Natives helping Natives than Natives helping Natives. And many of them are pro-Sioux name advocates. Go back to the posts from 2004-2006. The issues as I see them are 1) keeping or not keeping the Sioux name and logo and 2) hearing the voices of the Standing Rock people not the dictators who sit on the council. Quote
lomackman Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Quit muddying the waters. This issue was discussed ad nauseaum in years past. AND if I recall correctly, your side lost. There are more non-Natives helping Natives than Natives helping Natives. And many of them are pro-Sioux name advocates. Go back to the posts from 2004-2006. The issues as I see them are 1) keeping or not keeping the Sioux name and logo and 2) hearing the voices of the Standing Rock people not the dictators who sit on the council. Oh don't go there because you don't have time to tutor anuone on Spirit Lake? I don't remember this issue being discussed. I do remember though how the logo supporters want the Native programs cut and to make the Natives pay "tuition" though. You sound like a Republican who does not like the facts to get in the way of a good rant. Where is the proof of your claim of non-natives helping Natives? Come on show the documented proof and if you can not then you should not say it. Quote
lomackman Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 You post like a 3 yr old...do your parents know you spend a lot of time on this forum... By the way, my wife is Native American so don't go there... The vast majority of us pro-logo supporters want the people of Standing Rock to have their say and we will live with the results of their vote up or down...but what I can't stand is the voice of the entire reservation being squelched by a few on the tribal council...that is not right and even you should agree with that. Parents are both dead. Does she know that she is married to someone that values her people so little? What about your in-laws do they know? Oh wait I always forget that Natives that are not Lakota, Dakota, or Nakota should not have a say. So f she does not belong to these tribes she should not say anything, this is out of the pro logo handbook. 2 Quote
ksixpack Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Parents are both dead. Does she know that she is married to someone that values her people so little? What about your in-laws do they know? Oh wait I always forget that Natives that are not Lakota, Dakota, or Nakota should not have a say. So f she does not belong to these tribes she should not say anything, this is out of the pro logo handbook. You are truly one of a kind... Quote
jedi Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 You missed the point entirely. Leadership is about leading people in a direction they don't want to go. Kelley and Faison don't have that ability. By your definition, Kelley and Faison are leading right now. They are leading people in a direction they don't want to go, but is actually best for UND as a whole. Quote
Sioux-cia Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Oh don't go there because you don't have time to tutor anuone on Spirit Lake? I don't remember this issue being discussed. I do remember though how the logo supporters want the Native programs cut and to make the Natives pay "tuition" though. You sound like a Republican who does not like the facts to get in the way of a good rant. Where is the proof of your claim of non-natives helping Natives? Come on show the documented proof and if you can not then you should not say it. Not going to discuss this issue again just because YOU don't remember the issue being discussed. You weren't here as evidenced by your sign on date, unless, of course, you're one of the 'banned' and are here with a new moniker? Go back to the posts from years past to read the posts responding to 'no one helps the Natives with any of their problems'. Proof of non-natives helping Natives? Go to any reservation and see who the health care providers and teachers are. I have worked on two reservations and one Alaskan native village and the teachers, docs, PAs, and NPs are by far NOT NA. The majority have been working for the IHS for many years so don't bother with you 'just there to pay back their student loans'. And the majority are top notch educators and health care providers, not bottom of the barrel rejects. Enough of your trolling, get back to the issues which are the Sioux name and logo and letting the SR people vote! 1 Quote
lomackman Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Not going to discuss this issue again just because YOU don't remember the issue being discussed. You weren't here as evidenced by your sign on date, unless, of course, you're one of the 'banned' and are here with a new moniker? Go back to the posts from years past to read the posts responding to 'no one helps the Natives with any of their problems'. Proof of non-natives helping Natives? Go to any reservation and see who the health care providers and teachers are. I have worked on two reservations and one Alaskan native village and the teachers, docs, PAs, and NPs are by far NOT NA. The majority have been working for the IHS for many years so don't bother with you 'just there to pay back their student loans'. And the majority are top notch educators and health care providers, not bottom of the barrel rejects. Enough of your trolling, get back to the issues which are the Sioux name and logo and letting the SR people vote! How about helping for altruistic reasons and not a paycheck. Quote
bisonh8er Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 Jody Hodgeson gave a lecture in one of my classes where he explained many things that the school and primarily mr RE helping the reservations. One of the examples he explained, and I have no documentation cause it was just a lecture, but he explained RE donated enough propain one winter to heat the houses on the reservation when they were having trouble keeping their houses warm enough. Nobody every remembers the good stuff that has been done for the NA. Quote
Old Time Hockey Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 That is funny! +1 "Man am I happy I called that guy!" Quote
Sioux-cia Posted March 26, 2011 Posted March 26, 2011 How about helping for altruistic reasons and not a paycheck. Well, unless one is independently wealthy, the majority of us can't afford to work for free. The pay one gets working on a rez is significantly less than one gets in the private sector. Pretty altruistic in my opinion. But, enough, I'm done with the 'help NAs because.....' When the NC$$ treats us the same as they do the institutions that can use a NA name and logo or they require all NC$$ participating institutions to retire their NA name and logo, I will respect their decision. Quote
lomackman Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 Jody Hodgeson gave a lecture in one of my classes where he explained many things that the school and primarily mr RE helping the reservations. One of the examples he explained, and I have no documentation cause it was just a lecture, but he explained RE donated enough propain one winter to heat the houses on the reservation when they were having trouble keeping their houses warm enough. Nobody every remembers the good stuff that has been done for the NA. Prove it! Did he mention how he sent his goons after the Culinary Union people and beat on them? Go to the LV Sun and search the archives for the link. 2 Quote
petey23 Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 Prove it! Did he mention how he sent his goons after the Culinary Union people and beat on them? Go to the LV Sun and search the archives for the link. You do know that by keeping Unions out of a casino back in the day meant keeping the mafia out? You are proving over and over again on this forum that you are pretty much a complete idiot and troll. Quote
lomackman Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 You do know that by keeping Unions out of a casino back in the day meant keeping the mafia out? You are proving over and over again on this forum that you are pretty much a complete idiot and troll. It was not the mafia that controlled the Culinary Union. It was the Chicago Outfit that did. Ed Hanley was the President of the union and his brother-in-law is Frank Calabrese, a powerful Chicago boss, convicted along with Jimmy Marcello and Joey Lombardo in the Family Secrets case in 2007 in Chicago (http://www.justice.gov/usao/iln/hot/familySecrets.html). The Imperial Pit was the only non-union hotel on the Strip for many years. Though the union walked the Frontier 24/7 for years and never bothered the Imperial. How did he get the pass from the union? In the 70's the union was bombing places to try and extort from them, even cost the local's president his life when he did not pay the bombers. Google Al Bramlet. Did Ralph cut a deal with the Outfit? I love how you call me an idiot and a troll. An idiot is one who ignores what is right in front of them and closes their eyes because it does not go along with their beliefs. Oh wait that would be you. Quote
lomackman Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 You do know that by keeping Unions out of a casino back in the day meant keeping the mafia out? You are proving over and over again on this forum that you are pretty much a complete idiot and troll. You neglect to mention how the Families owned the casinos. So why keep the so-called Mafia out of what they owned already? Heck the mayor of Las Vegas was their attorney in Las Vegas. Albeit, the world famous Las Vegas Strip is not even in Las Vegas the mayor thinks it is though. http://www.thelaborers.net/documents/REPORTS/Commission_HERE.html Now how did Ralph keep them out? If he had not played ball he would have been buried in just another hole in the desert. Quote
bisonh8er Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 Well I already said I can't prove it because it was a lecture during one of my sports business classes. I know Jody though, very respectable man and I'll take his word for it over yours 10 out of 10 times. Ps. Unions are terrible for business, the economy, and all the people that have to cover for lazy people in unions. 1 Quote
lomackman Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 Well I already said I can't prove it because it was a lecture during one of my sports business classes. I know Jody though, very respectable man and I'll take his word for it over yours 10 out of 10 times. Ps. Unions are terrible for business, the economy, and all the people that have to cover for lazy people in unions. Then it can't be true because you can not prove it. Let us see the documentation and if no documentation it is not true. Unions built middle-class America and the right wishes to destroy that group. Are you against the average person wishing for a better standard of living? Or trying to reach the American dream? Quote
bisonh8er Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 Then it can't be true because you can not prove it. Let us see the documentation and if no documentation it is not true. Unions built middle-class America and the right wishes to destroy that group. Are you against the average person wishing for a better standard of living? Or trying to reach the American dream? Geez let me put my boots on the walk through the diarrhea spewing from you right now. Unions once had a place in this country to fight for the average Americans. Now with how many laws that are in place to protect American workers unions don't have a place. Do you think its just a coincidence that the states that were hit hardest by the recession happened to be union states? As far as it can't be true because I can't prove it. Well you can think what you want but let me ask you this. Do you believe in gravity? Last time I checked nobody can actually prove gravity. It isn't a scientific law. But I bet you still believe in gravity right? Quote
bisonh8er Posted March 27, 2011 Posted March 27, 2011 Oh and here is a link just to prove what I stated about unions being hit hardest by the recession. I found it just for you. http://www.nrtw.org/en/blog/heavily-unionized-states-hit-hardest-recesssi-04222309 Quote
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