Oil Booms in North Dakota

[Sioux>Bison]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

This article says less than a third of ND’s urea demand is from Beulah, and that doesn’t include ammonia.

https://www.kfyrtv.com/content/news/Urea-lines-one-year-later-512604841.html

Western Minnesota, Manitoba and Saskatchewan are also huge markets.

Then why didn’t they finish the Spiritwood plant or the one planned for grand forks? If this was a slam dunk then they would have been completed and running. The reason is the demand is already being met by other sources such as the plant in Sioux City IA and imports by  CF industries. A new plant would have to push them out of the region by being able to produce and sell it at a lower price. This would require the plant to be built at a world scale in order to compete and that may be too big for the region.

[Sioux>Bison]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

So three petrochemical films that have operations in Alberta are looking to expand in ND (last paragraph).

https://www.grandforksherald.com/business/energy-and-mining/4615042-Flaring-reaches-record-high-amid-pipeline-gas-plant-shutdowns

It’s been told here that never would happen.  But they have transportation challenges there too.

Companies are always looking to do more business. In this case nothing has even been proposed so we are a long ways away from this becoming reality. It’s just a pipe dream right now. We should be focusing on new pipelines and gas plants to take care of the problem.

[Sioux>Bison]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

This article says less than a third of ND’s urea demand is from Beulah, and that doesn’t include ammonia.

https://www.kfyrtv.com/content/news/Urea-lines-one-year-later-512604841.html

Western Minnesota, Manitoba and Saskatchewan are also huge markets.

Ammonia is the big one in the state and way more is used than urea. The plant produced half of the states fertilizer needs.

[Nodak78]

12 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:

Companies are always looking to do more business. In this case nothing has even been proposed so we are a long ways away from this becoming reality. It’s just a pipe dream right now. We should be focusing on new pipelines and gas plants to take care of the problem.

The industry is focusing on new pipelines, both gathering and transmission.  Many gas plants are expanding and a few new plants are being built.  It's part of the process.

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, Sioux>Bison said:

Ammonia is the big one in the state and way more is used than urea. The plant produced half of the states fertilizer needs.

Basin’s ammonia goes into urea.  New ammonia plants are now built at 10% size of the old ones with newer and cheaper technology at lower costs.

https://ammoniaindustry.com/small-scale-ammonia-production-is-the-next-big-thing/

[Nodak78]

https://www.willistonherald.com/news/oil_and_energy/three-petrochemical-companies-eyeing-bakken-meanwhile-new-flaring-record-in/article_692dc80c-bfad-11e9-b52a-ff236f1cad06.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=email&utm_campaign=user-share

 

 

[The Sicatoka]

10 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:

Ammonia is the big one in the state and way more is used than urea. The plant produced half of the states fertilizer needs.

It can't be sold out of state? 

[Sioux>Bison]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

It can't be sold out of state? 

Yes obviously I’m just saying that there are already supplies coming into the region. New supplies will have to compete with the existing sources. That is why we have not seen and other plants actually being built.

[Sioux>Bison]

14 hours ago, Nodak78 said:

The industry is focusing on new pipelines, both gathering and transmission.  Many gas plants are expanding and a few new plants are being built.  It's part of the process.

You are right but using the gas locally is not a necessity like many have been preaching. It would obviously be nice to produce products here locally but there are many factors that need to be overcome.

[Sioux>Bison]

13 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Basin’s ammonia goes into urea.  New ammonia plants are now built at 10% size of the old ones with newer and cheaper technology at lower costs.

https://ammoniaindustry.com/small-scale-ammonia-production-is-the-next-big-thing/

The article says the reasons that the smaller plants are competing with world scale plants is because all of their product is contracted and none is sold on the open market. If those were built here they would need to find a cooperative that would sign up for contracted volumes. Not sure if CHS would sign on to this when they are partners with CF industries. The plant in Rock Springs was built by Simplot so they could produce their own ammonia without having to buy it on the open market. Not saying new fertilizer plants are impossible but have a ton of hurdles to conquer. We are are though more likely to see a new fertilizer plant than we are to see a petrochemical plant.

[Nodak78]

5 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:

You are right but using the gas locally is not a necessity like many have been preaching. It would obviously be nice to produce products here locally but there are many factors that need to be overcome.

It's a necessity for the Bakken to fully develop and North Dakota to diversify.   This is not  a sprint to develop.  It takes time.

[SiouxVolley]

Electricity demand in western North Dakota is expected to increase by 71% over the next 20 years.

https://bismarcktribune.com/bakken/as-oil-industry-grows-so-will-electric-power-consumption-in/article_5ec83316-b4c6-5c2a-a29e-91e41ba8b316.html

[SiouxVolley]

The soon to be opened airport in Williston:

https://www.aviationpros.com/airports/airports-municipalities/article/21089114/taking-flight

[Nodak78]

plastics.   

https://www.newsdakota.com/2019/06/27/drug-plastics-open-house-in-valley-city/

 

[SiouxVolley]

Shale oil has accounted for 10% of the GDP growth and ND has a significant part of it.

https://www.spe.org/en/jpt/jpt-article-detail/?art=5866

McKenzie County has more than twice the oil and gas output than other Bakken Counties.

https://www.worldpipelines.com/project-news/22082019/bakken-shale-production-growth-to-be-constrained/

But production growth needs more gas plants as there is too much flaring.

[SiouxVolley]

Williston District #1 could effectively force Williston District #8 to build a new high school if this opinion holds up.

https://www.willistonherald.com/news/education/can-district-exclude-out-of-district-students-from-williston-high/article_2bb8c618-dbda-11e9-a1a2-6bac32f17015.html

If District #1 says their HS is overcrowded, District #1 doesn’t have to accept District #8 HS students.

Right now, the HS enrolls more than capacity, and it will get much worse.  Both districts have rejected bonds for HS enrollment and building projects.

[Kab]

This is where the legacy fund should be able to be used, a no interest loan to build that school.

williston has trinity christian school also, not sure how many attend that school.

 

[SiouxVolley]

Williston District #1 has voted to end automatic enrollment of District 8 HS students.  District #8 needs to do something.  Ray and Tioga may have more HS students.

https://www.willistonherald.com/news/education/district-school-board-votes-to-discontinue-automatic-enrollment-for-district/article_301cdcd6-e0bb-11e9-af2c-7fa9d8ed0737.html

https://www.kfyrtv.com/content/news/District-1-votes-to-close-enrollment-561533311.html

[Fetch]

I drove thru Ray a few weeks ago & it sure has changed - even the house I lived in across the street from school is Gone the school has really built on - I have a 50th Reunion next summer but I can't get enthused about going - Great drive from Williston to Fort Collins thru eastern Montana Wyoming (never drove that route before) 

Keep Drilling Fracking & Raising the Price of Oil GrandPa's going to need a Power Wheelchair  :' )

[Kab]

I talked to a legislator today and he indicated there is money to loan to schools for building projects but seems the legislature isn’t inclined to do this.

its not from  oil money in the trust fund either.

he is to the right of center but can’t convince others yet to do this 

 

Edited September 30, 2019 by Kab
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[Nodak78]

6 minutes ago, Kab said:

I talked to a legislator today and he indicated there is money to loan to schools for building projects but seems the legislature isn’t inclined to do this.

its not from  oil money in the trust fund either.

he is to the right of center but can’t convince others yet to do this 

 

It came from Oil money just not directly.   many strings attached to this money and it is a very small amount of the oil revenue collected.  Williston is going to use part of it for some small portion of building.

[UNDBIZ]

8 minutes ago, Kab said:

I talked to a legislator today and he indicated there is money to loan to schools for building projects but seems the legislature isn’t inclined to do this.

its not from  oil money in the trust fund either.

he is to the right of center but can’t convince others yet to do this 

The legislature already passed it. $75 million for a school construction assistance revolving loan fund, with intent to pass another $75 million for the 2021-2023 budget cycle. Looks like some of that is for low interest loans and some is to just buy down the interest rate on loans. 

[Kab]

He told me they have the capability to do a $10 million grant and then low interest loans 

[UNDBIZ]

8 minutes ago, Kab said:

He told me they have the capability to do a $10 million grant and then low interest loans 

Oh, so the issue is that the legislature isn't inclined to give certain districts a pile of free money (a grant) when others have had to fund themselves? 

[Kab]

That might be part of it or do some districts really need to build