Goon Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 All the talk of fuel - commodities - water - food - I can't wait till beer is so expensive that everyone marches on Washington & hangs them all Heck we have the nukes & water & fuel & food & building State run refineries up here & use profits to give residents cheaper fuel - as a incentive to move here - lets become the new Opec Fetch you want to split the gas to the March on Washington if beer gets more expensive..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 we may have to team up with Montana cause they have pretty good brewery out there http://www.bigskybrew.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Most peoples care can't burn alternative fuel though. Heck I am all for my SUV getting better milage but I am not for the Government telling what I can drive. I am not buying a prius. (SP) No one is telling anyone to do anything. If you want a to be a typical person who resists change for the sake of resisting change, then by all means continue driving your 6000 lbs. 6L V10 truck, even though you don't use it for anything more than transportation, at $4.50/gal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 No one is telling anyone to do anything. If you want a to be a typical person who resists change for the sake of resisting change, then by all means continue driving your 6000 lbs. 6L V10 truck, even though you don't use it for anything more than transportation, at $4.50/gal. V10? I drive a v6 and I am not going to be able to go duck hunting in a small car, I have a lot of gear and a very big dog. There is no way I could get into a stuble field with a prius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Well, hunting is a luxury. Enjoy it while you can afford it, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 Well, hunting is a luxury. Enjoy it while you can afford it, I guess. You just don't spend as much time road hunting. I read a report that said that gas will go up top off around some where in the 3.50-4.00 range and then will come down. Hopefully just in time for Rooster hunting season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted April 12, 2008 Share Posted April 12, 2008 I'm sure a lot of people hope that is true. Myself, I'm hoping it gets up to about $4.50/gal and stays there. That'll turn the heat up on developing alternatives. Once we have alternatives in place, everything is gravy after that. It's just getting there that is going to suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greatest sioux fan Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 I'm sure a lot of people hope that is true. Myself, I'm hoping it gets up to about $4.50/gal and stays there. That'll turn the heat up on developing alternatives. Once we have alternatives in place, everything is gravy after that. It's just getting there that is going to suck. Do you ride a bike to work? In the meantime all the prices are jacked up because the fuel prices are so high. Food, and other necessities are alot more expensive because of it. We just saw a New Chevy Tahoe hybrid today, and the price on it was 50k. Most people I know, including us, can't afford a 50k vehicle like this. This vehicle also gets about the same mileage as a camry gets, and camrys are about 30k. If you want a bio vehicle , you have to buy new, except for the prius. Both of our vehicles are 02's, and we can't use the flexfuel in either one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted April 13, 2008 Author Share Posted April 13, 2008 [url=http://www.grandforksherald.com/articles/index.cfm?id=73514§ion=homepage]N.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Both of our vehicles are 02's, and we can't use the flexfuel in either one of them. Exactly. For most people, like you, $4.50/gal. is going to hurt somewhat. "No pain, no gain" as they say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted April 13, 2008 Share Posted April 13, 2008 Exactly. For most people, like you, $4.50/gal. is going to hurt somewhat. "No pain, no gain" as they say. There is an election this fall I think you're going to see the price of gas go down a bit. There will be poltical pressue to get the price of gas down. Just a hunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGreyAnt41 Posted April 14, 2008 Share Posted April 14, 2008 speaking of the Prius http://www.katu.com/news/7561002.html Cost per mile doesn't directly relate to the carbon footprint of a vehicle. That's a report I would like to see. While the H2 may cost less per mile over the entire life of the vehicle, I would expect it to have a much higher carbon footprint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighting Sioux Fan Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 I'm sure a lot of people hope that is true. Myself, I'm hoping it gets up to about $4.50/gal and stays there. That'll turn the heat up on developing alternatives. Once we have alternatives in place, everything is gravy after that. It's just getting there that is going to suck. The people that are making billions of dollars off of the oil industry are too politically powerful to let anything new be developed that will ruin thier monopoly. The price of a barrel of oil was $20 in 200 and is now around $100. That's what happens when you put an oil crony in as president. Too many powerful people are making too much money for things to change... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted April 15, 2008 Author Share Posted April 15, 2008 It is naive to think that one man can set the price of oil to his liking. I'm no expert on oil, but I do know there are many factors involved in the price of a barrel of oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 They may be rich, but they aren't rich enough to stop the inevitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighting Sioux Fan Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 It is naive to think that one man can set the price of oil to his liking. I'm no expert on oil, but I do know there are many factors involved in the price of a barrel of oil. It's not just one man, it's the whole industry working together. They put W there so they could manipulate events to thier benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 It's not just one man, it's the whole industry working together. They put W there so they could manipulate events to thier benefit. Yea right like the farmers did to get 15.00 beans and 12.00 wheat. Since your so smart please tell everyone how they do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jloos Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 It's not just one man, it's the whole industry working together. They put W there so they could manipulate events to thier benefit. Is this the right wing conspiracy Hillary was talking about It is called capitalism. You can complain about it or profit from it yourself - CLR, HES, WLL, EOG and to a smaller extent MDU. I am pretty happy about buying CLR last fall. I have owned MDU for years. I wish I had a piece of the rest of those companies. The execs at these companies are making money either way. So long as they follow the SEC rules they are not doing anything wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MplsBison Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 There is nothing wrong from profiting from high gasoline prices. People refuse to change their driving habits, even when gas is $3.50/gal. $4-4.50/gal, OTOH, I think people will finally stop driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted April 15, 2008 Author Share Posted April 15, 2008 (edited) Ralph Kingsbury had a nice piece today on energy and North Dakota's role. Energy - crisis elsewhere, opportunity for region All forms of alternative energy are more expensive to produce than fossil fuel energy when considering only direct business costs. The only way to get the alternatives on line is for the government to pay some form of subsidy. Improvements in the technology of wind generators and blades mean that with government tax credits, wind energy is becoming nearly as cost efficient as electricity generated from fossil fuels. In fact, depending on how the external costs of each are counted, some argue that wind energy is cheaper than fossil fuel energy, and it does not contribute to global warming.Mr. Kingsbury must be part of the conspiracy, claiming that fossil fuel energy is the least expensive to produce. They put W there so they could manipulate events to thier benefit.I would love to know how they put him there and which events they manipulated. Edit: I'm sure some of the oil companies gave to his campaign, but they likely gave to numerous candidates, as they want to be sure whoever gets elected will listen to them. Edited April 16, 2008 by GeauxSioux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moser53 Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Big Oil Conspiracy try these http://www.conspiracyplanet.com Test to see where you are politicially http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Let's see, there were a little over 11,000 nearby sweet crude contracts traded on the New York Mercantile Exchange yesterday. So I guess that conspiracy must include a couple of thousand people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted April 16, 2008 Author Share Posted April 16, 2008 Those darn capitalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 Big Oil Conspiracy try these http://www.conspiracyplanet.com Test to see where you are politicially http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Boy oh Boy! That conspiracy site basically tells lies. It is so bad, it is funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! Posted April 16, 2008 Share Posted April 16, 2008 On a different note, I am happy to see the oil industry really taking off in North Dakota. I am looking to get into the oil field, and it would be nice to have an option close to home. I have a vision for the whole state, and oil, among other things, is part of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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