JohnboyND7

I don't think having a name on the jersey is going to get recruits to come to your school. It could be nice though for tv viewers I guess though. I personally dislike names on jerseys but I am also a Notre Dame fan, I like a few unpopular teams/ideas.

Most people at NDSU embrace the agricultural background. Strip club analogy was funny, can't deny that some NDSU athletes have had some trouble with the law.

Take a look at how much of that is going to the hockey team. We don't have a hockey team and hence, don't need an extra $4 million. I do know that we spend a little bit more on football and I think basketball too. That was a really dumb analogy. I'd say that they are two schools who have at least one sport they can count on to be pretty good at said sport. Btw, there is a lot of money that goes into a tractor repair shop. Seriously, those things are huge and expensive. Whats really almost funny is your clear lack of any respect for NDSU as an institution. You seem to think it is a 2nd-class institution in comparison to UND. If that was true, NDSU would be smaller(its not), its sports teams would be worse(ours are currently better), no one would care(17,000 cared last week), we wouldn't be on tv(we are in ND), and no one would travel to watch(30,000 in the metrodome). We are not going to do yet another pissing match. If you want, i'd be more than happy to go back to the NDSU-UND football thread and continue this pissing match. It is really great for UND that they have that attendence to be happy about. The Ralph is a really nice arena and they have a good product which leads to high-demand, hence a lot of butts in the seats, and a lot of cash coming in. UND was truely blessed to have a huge donor like Ralph(his questionable nazi sympathies aside) who was willing to drop $100 million on a hockey arena. It will bring a lot of money to UND for a very long time more than likely. I know that I would like to have someone like that drop a ton of coin on NDSU so we could get our basketball arena fixed up. Again, notice what I said earlier, I don't think it is necessary to count the non-core sports such as hockey, gymnastics, wrestling, or LAX. Honestly, most schools don't have those, nor do most schools care about those sports. Hence, why once again, all I asked for was for it to be a basketball/football attendence count. This is not in some sorry attempt to see NDSU skyrocket above UND(it would be nice, its not fun seeing NDSU that much lower haha), this is simply because those are far and away the two most popular and widespread sports that pretty much all FCS teams will have. You are a very sad little man. I guess I would be too if I got cut from the JV hockey team and had to resort to worshipping a college hockey team.

I hope they'd never allow male-to-female's to play. That'd be such garbage. Like you said, muscle tone and athletic skills are generally better in men. If he played basketball against the women the only player who could stop him is that girl/guy/monster from Baylor.

Oh of course, i'm not disputing that. All I'm saying(stated multiple times only to get attacked every time) is that I felt it would probably be a better guage of the type of attendence FCS-level teams were getting if it was standardized to the core sports. It is one thing if one or two of the schools in your Big Ten scenario don't have a sport, but when 112 of the 125 don't play a particular sport (especially a very well attended one that has around 20 home games a season) it is misleading. On first glance it makes it look like UND is a world beater in all sports when you see them higher than very good football/basketball(standard university's strive for this) schools. At the very least it could have an asterisk with a footnote showing what the FCS hockey schools are pulling in from hockey.

DaveK might get mad about it. 26 and 1/2 seems like a reasonable betting line. They can't go much higher than that considering Fresno hasn't won a game yet.

Are you going to tell me Notre Dame's 11 National Championships aren't real then either? The system at the time was how it was done. I'm going to take a wild guess that if UND was a football powerhouse in say...the 50's, and they won 5 national titles in that span, that you would tell us UND has 6 National Championships. And no one could disagree with you, because you'd have the trophy hung up somewhere to prove it. Umm....Bemidji St. made it to the Frozen Four. Minnesota-Deluth won a National Championship. When 2/3 of the schools aren't even division 1, it really is hard to consider it division 1 athletics. The quality of play might be pretty good, but when teams like THAT are doing good, it loses legitimacy for your sport. Any division 1 sport that Bemidji St. can make it to the frozen four, can not say ANYTHING bad about FCS football. And GeauxSioux, go ask Gene Taylor, Montana's AD, Appy St.'s AD, or any number of athletic directors if they are making money on the football team. FCS vs. Hockey is an argument no one is going to win, NDSU fans are going to tell you that football is a pretty big deal outside of Grand Forks, ND and UND fans are going to say that FCS is nothing to be proud of. I might ask, if you guys don't think FCS is relevant, then why did you guys move up? You could have hung out in D2 for forever and kept your "D1" hockey team and played with your peers.

I didn't bring it off topic or NDSU into it, I brought up why I felt like hockey attendence should not have been included if the comparison was going to be an comparison against other FCS schools, the core sports of football, basketball, and maybe volleyball(thats a big maybe) should have been the only ones used. Someone decided to say FCS is irrelevant, I pointed out Appalachian State is very relevant to today's sports fan and for some odd reason someone decided to bring NDSU into it. I was not the culprit. Maybe if you took the time to read stuff before you attacked people, you would have friends other than online guys at siouxsports.com

I think you meant to say Crosby or Ovechkin there bud. It is a tad harder for schools like NDSU and UND to land pro basketball and football prospects than it is to land hockey prospects. Typical sports fans still aren't big into hockey. I enjoy hockey, I think you guys are thinking that I hate it. I watch it if it is on. I will take a bit of time every Sunday night to see how Notre Dame did that weekend and how Philidelphia is looking in the standings. Craig Dahl has something TJ doesn't have though, a professional league's championship ring I wouldn't mind catching a link for the story that says Oshie is more popular in St. Louis than Pujols. As to the gentleman that mentioned Mays contract vs. Kuper's, Mays really isn't that good. He has been getting a nice amount of publicity for his hit on Tony Moeaki on youtube and it seems like the Denver paper thinks he is kind of a fan favorite. I like him. A very hard worker who gets the most out of his body. Also, inside linebackers who aren't Ray Lewis(overpaid), Lawerence Timmons, or San Francisco's guy aren't paid that well. Not when you gotta pay OLB's, CB's, LT's, QB's, and WR's ridiculous sums of money. Polamalu only makes $10 million. He is perhaps the best safety of all-time(or ed reed, pick your poison) Kuper on the other hand is probably a bit overpaid, still a good player though. Doesn't hurt he has been in the league awhile longer. Why aren't we talking about attendence anymore? At one point this was UND folks being really happy about leading the nation in FCS schools attendence. Forum decided to make a weak attempt at a trollish argument. Then I decided to point out that of the 125 FCS schools, only 13 of them have hockey and I felt hockey attendence should not be included in the total attendence as a result. That would be like NDSU comparing total attendence with the wrestling conference they are in, or the Summit League where not all the schools have football. Makes things a tad uneven ya know?

Someone would but I think they've all put you on ignore already I kid, I kid. I don't need both years, but what I do need is for you to quit proclaiming that UND was better. It probably would have been a good(by that I mean two bad teams playing a close game) game. I'd say 50/50 chances. BACK to Fresno DaveK, we were finally getting on topic.

Few....very few would. Al Carlson will still probably get elected, not everyone in South Fargo( his district isn't it?) knows that he really came close to destroying UND athletics. I'm officially sure now that he (as any decent, jerkoff Bison alum would) is trying to ruin UND's athletic program.

It was a sarcastic comment I hope you know, it can be hard to show sarcasm via words at times. I will take your optomism and cut it in half. I'm on record somewhere on this thread giving UND 10-13 points I think? Somewhere in the 50's for Fresno.

When my uncle was in school he said UND was over 10,000 and NDSU was around 8,000. Thats in the 80's.

8 national titles, 5 during the playoff format, 3 (1 was disputed, the two polls disagreed, AP said NDSU) before when it was voted on after the Division 2 bowl games. Sorry pete. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_II_National_Football_Championship As to the gentleman who said FCS is on the same level as college hockey, I'd say that sounds about right.'

8>1. I like having an 8 championship lead on rivals in sports. 7 makes it close enough to have a conversation. You guys know who else has alumni with gold and silver medals? Pretty well any D1 hockey program has probably landed some folks on the hockey team. Also remember, Stanley Cup is the least relevant championship in sports. 2.6, 3.2, 3.3 Nielsen ratings in the past few years? You are trying to brag up all these shoutouts from these very talented hockey players. I will not despute they are talented, but more Canadians care about hockey than Americans. We have 11 times the population of Canada. Keep that in mind next time. Have you ever heard NDSU fans bring up the wrestling championships? From what I heard, NDSU pretty much drove UND to get rid of it (source was a gung ho bison fan, more than likely mistaken.) because of NDSU's complete domination over UND. But no, NDSU doesn't bring up wrestling championships because honestly, no one cares about it. However, funny thing about wrestling, it gets on ESPN as much as college hockey does. For about 2 days a year, college hockey and college wrestling are relevant on the National scene.

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Can't wait to see how DaveK spins this into something completely off base..

Enough with the clearly better in '09 garbage. NDSU '09 was bad but a 6-5 UND who had losses to SFA by 35, Southern Utah by 25, Sioux Falls by 15 is not any better than struggling through the Missouri Valley. I'm not going to do the typical UND thing and claim moral victories but NDSU had 2 losses by 3 points and 2 by 4 points. Once you are playing a full slate of D1 teams for a change, maybe you will see that it is a bit harder to get wins on a down year than it was in D2. And this year does not remain to be seen, NDSU is flat-out better. You can try and say Drake is better than Lafayette all you want and it doesn't change the fact that they are more than likely pretty comparible. UND has 29 points in 2 games. NDSU has 98 points. UND will struggle at Fresno, then get a few easier games or whats the deal

Never ever said anything about moving to the Big Ten, but thanks for the vote of confidence! Not even FBS, I leave talk of FBS moves to IrishSiouxFan. They are probably about as good as the fanbase makes them out to be, a team that this year should compete for the conference title, and maybe more. Our program is looking up. I would probably gues most of the Bison fanbase is excited about where the team is going. Which is more than you guys can currently say (like others have mentioned, that can change awfully fast).

UND is a great hockey school, if you go to a NHL game, of course people there are going to know who UND is. However, I am curious as to why the hell you would wear a Sioux jersey to a Predators game? That would be like me wearing a Bison Jersey to a Steelers game....Doesn't make any sense whatsoever. NHL will only gain popularity to an extent. It will never surpass baseball basketball or football. As for NHL getting more popular and thus making UND stronger, thats what Notre Dame thought when football was catching on more....and as sad as i am to say it, my Irish are more relevant on skates than they are on the gridiron.

Tail between our legs? First year coach took the team from 2-8 I think it was, to 8-3(Win at Montana). NDSU may not have left D2 behind on top or anything but still nothing to be ashamed of overall. If NDSU's football program is a bunch of nobodies Dave, I can't wait for the noun you use describing UND's football team. I'd like to see what fish you have to fry? You mean over in the Big Sky? We beat your conference champion by 25 last year. Took the 2nd place team to overtime, and our buddies to the south polished them off for us this year. And a much less significant bit, beat Montana when we were GASP! in Division 2! bincitysioux, I hope they get a game or two scheduled, but I don't share the A.D's optomism. I wonder what the proposed plan is currently right now? On a year, off a year? ever 3 years maybe? Who knows at this point I guess.... WYO, that'd piss me off something fierce if NDSU allowed themselves to be outbid by a airplane hangar with seating.

Well considering of the 15 or so people who worked there, about 12 of us gave him crap all the time and he pretty much just learned to go along with it. He knew he screwed up his life.

I could dig the retro look. But wearing it obsessively, hell no. I'm an NDSU fan. If we were the farmers still, I'm going to take a wild guess I'd wear farmers stuff. If NDSU became the.....Aggies or Farmers(round 2), I wouldn't throw away my Bison stuff. But would it be worn to every game? No, thats just being dumb. I doubt you see many Oilers shirts at Titans games.....