JohnboyND7

Despite that I'm an NDSU guy....I am choosing to laugh at the "mooo-ved" comment. Tehe.

I'd be more than happy to hear your guys' opinion on USD since you played them more recently. Not so much on SDSU, SIU, or UNI....considering we have played these guys more recently.

KVLY statewide is nice. It is easy for people to watch the game. A basic channel that almost everyone has. When you say nationwide, it seems like you are saying that it is a "Notre Dame"-esque deal where literally everyone, everywhere has the channel. The channel that UND plays on is pretty obscure and doesn't even come with all the packages right? My sister lives in DC, they organize a Bison-alum party for games every week at a local bar. ESPN3, for all of its shortcomings, is still a solid option has most bars are willing to put it on for you. My dad was in Philly for a business trip, he was able to watch the NDSU/UNI game at a bar with some friends. I'd hardly say NDSU thinks in a tri-state box and that UND thinks on a national scale. Do I think it is most important to be on tv in a tri-state area? Yes. You probably disagree, but honestly, neither NDSU or UND football are these huge national brands that everyone is watching. I don't think recruits are going to stay away from NDSU because they are on KVLY/ESPN3 and I don't think they are going to avoid UND because they are on a more obscure national channel. What is important, and good for both schools, is you can be almost anywhere and be able to watch the game. Ten years ago, that probably wasn't going to happen. What does any of this have to do with NDSU and UND playing a football game?

UND has some major pass-defense issues correct? And is also vertically challenged on offense? The pass defense issues will lose you games in the Big Sky if you don't fix it. No way around it. Hell, Northern Colorado can even throw the ball. We got away without being able to throw the ball in the 2010 playoff games against Montana State and EWU and if UND has a BIG mean O-Line, you will be able to win games off of that too. But DJ McNorton was also on fire at that time. I think UND will win 5 or 6 games (excluding the Mines game). I just think it was way too easy for teams to throw against UND this season for me to have any faith UND will shut the pass down this year. Outside of Montana and Montana State though, I think UND has at least a solid chance of winning any other Big Sky game. It should be interesting to see how UND handles playing teams like Montana and Montana State. Also, it will be interesting to see how UND handles playing against a solid schedule throughout an entire season. Anyone can show up for a game (Boise State), in a solid conference, it is about showing up for a season.

In this thread it makes sense. NDSU A&AS is having some 2012 schedule issues as well.

Anything south of Nebraska is just not very likely. Some of the big metro areas can manage having a professional hockey team, but it'd be hard to start up a college team and generate the interest required down there. I would not be at all surprised though if you saw the Big Ten schools all have hockey sooner or later to build the new hockey league's brand. That would require Indiana, Northwestern, Illinois, Iowa, and Nebraska to get teams? That could be interesting.

I'd imagine the same way the B1G was determining their champion until last year? You know, whoever has the best conference record? The way every conference that doesn't have 2 divisions settles it.

This sounds ridiculous.

NDSU gets the first game. Last game was at the Alerus. Plus the Bison had to play Back-to-Back in Grand Forks the year before the dome opened up and the year the dome opened up if I recall because of NCC scheduling got remodelled or something like that. Though it would be pretty cool to play in the dome or TCF once. Kinda like Texas-Oklahoma playing at the Texas State Fair litterally right in the middle of the two campuses....maybe we build a stadium in Hillsboro

Greatest city in North Dakota!

Never too late to convert.

I'd imagine UND fans getting a fair number of seats throughout the general admission areas. It wouldn't be a ton, but I'd expect a fair amount of UND people in attendence.

Hopefully not for awhile. The dome is a hell of an atmosphere when its full. I'd rather have a slightly smaller venue such as the dome, than a 25-30,000 dome/stadium that has 5,000 empty seats.

I'd poop my pants in excitement. Then again, I pooped my pants this year in anticipation for the Georgia Southern showdown. The really nice thing about playing a team from far away....just opens up more seats for the Fargo Faithful The nice thing about playing a UND, UNI, or SDSU in the playoffs if you win, is not only winning, but having something that a rival fanbase doesn't get to have.

An interesting thing to take into account is that since the schools are both closeby, the likelihood of getting paired is probably pretty decent. You know how the NCAA works...they like to keep costs down.

To answer the question in the thread title....we need to audit the boyscouts and make sure they are filing their taxes properly after they sell all this popcorn.

3,800 student seats...i think.

Im with you that there would be a boatload of interest in Fargo. Delaware doesn't schedule Delaware State if I remember correctly. Is it because they are afraid of losing? Probably not. Is it probably because of some politics? More than likely.

A Wagner or St. Francis is better. Don't have to make a return trip. It is a possibility. There have been plenty of times in the rivalry when the better team lost. I wouldn't use that as a reason for not scheduling them. I'd use the "you stopped the rivalry. not us." excuse. UND could use the game a lot more. Lack of buzz surrounding the program north of Fargo. I think right now, NDSU holds all the cards. At least until UND shows that they are at NDSU's level, I see no reason that the team up in Grand Forks thinks they hold a single one.

Success in the 90's. Cool beans. In case you haven't noticed, the D-I NDSU is a lot different than the scholarship-ravaged teams of the 90's. For ten years, the UND game was the biggest game that the dome would have. Attendence has skyrocketed since going D-1. With the better players and added hype around the team, the difference between having UND come here, and having St. Francis here, is around 1,000 tickets. No benefit. Thats great for UND. UND was the middle of a great season...playing against possibly the biggest name in all of college sports and was able to get good attendence. NDSU, was at the end of an extremely disappointing season. Students were not there. At all. Lowest attendended game I have seen in years.. A more fair comparison might be looking at how NDSU's attendence was in a good year. The dome was rocking this year. No questions asked. The attendence reflected that as well. I have yet to meet someone calling NDSU "the laughingstock" of the FCS for anything other than Lakes. UND played how many sub-DI's last year? Pot calling the kettle black? You'll soon see that playing "tough" OOC is not a formula for winning. If you play the right formula...your tough OOC games will be in the playoffs. NDSU also has Montana and Montana St. on the OOC schedule in the next few years I believe. But I guess they are just cupcakes too.

A chunk of it isn't enough. And honestly, it helps UND a lot more than NDSU. NDSU packs the dome. UND has trouble making the Alerus into a real football atmosphere right now. Getting NDSU into the Alerus would make it into a real football atmosphere and probably create a lot more excitement around a very stagnant program. If UND wants to play more than every other year, it will have to be in the playoffs.

It doesn't make NDSU anymore money than a different home game does. In fact, playing it annually would lose NDSU a pretty penny of money. Losing a home game every other year....yuck.

While UND was busy with their nickname crap, John Hoeven was being a productive member of the state government. This is/was/never will be his responsibility. He isn't an alum. Why would he have cared if UND successfully negotiated or not? He was the governor of North Dakota. Not UND's president or athletic director. Believe it or not, for the majority of North Dakota, this was not a top priority. Hoeven had other things going on.

I-AA has more scholarships than D2 had during the D-II hayday (for me, its the 80's, i wonder why ). While you may be on to something, that the scholarship level drawdown of D II may make FCS seem like I-AA, its not. The NDSU team now, from what multiple 80's football players have said, would destroy them. Division 1 schools can recruit better players. Part of life. Is it FBS? No. But the best FCS teams can compete. Why was NDSU rated #32 in the final poll? Because they could beat a lot of FBS teams. Most of them in fact probably. Heck, maybe even a couple of the top 25 teams with how good the defense is. Do you think that a D-II defense has ever been as talented as this 2011 Bison team? Not trying to draw attention to my school here but come on! D-II was better back in the day.....but FCS is significantly better than D-II ever was. If it wasn't, why did UND decide to move up? For volleyball? No. For golf? No. UND moved up for basketball and football. Because FCS and D-I basketball are worth moving up for. The competition, the level of play, and the financial gains were worth it. If you are going to say FCS football isn't really D-I then I can make an equally compelling argument that D-I hockey isn't really D-I because half the schools are D-II and D-III. Just be happy that if the nickname situation subsides(it somehow could), that UND has landed in a very solid conference and it isn't worth sacrificing the conference for the sake of keeping some nickname. If the Bison had to revert back to the Aggies so that our "flagship" sport could survive as well as the rest of our teams, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I suggest you do the same.

The FCS is not the new DII. Look at the Bison team that won the championship this year. This year would have wiped the floor with any D-II championship team. As would almost any FCS champion. The money invested into it is a lot different. If it was the same, why is Northern Colorado doing terrible? Could a D-II NDSU have competed with Minnesota? No. Switch your name. Avoid issues. Assuming you are right( your not by the way) that FCS is the new D-II, then shouldn't UND do everything they can to keep up with the other "D-II" schools? Do you want all UND athletics to lag behind NDSU, USD, and SDSU? FBS football, the good schools that is, are strange. No school in this area can compete in a nationwide sport.