fightingsioux4life

So that means we just cave in and do what they tell us? NDSU is NOT an FBS program and yet, we are treating them like they are. And no, we shouldn't have to "earn" the respect we should have as a long-time rival with NDSU and as one of two four-year research institutions in the state. This whole sorry episode proves how much contempt FU has for UND. And we just bend over and take it? Thanks a lot Faison.

Thank you Brian Faison. Thanks to you caving in, every single game with FU will be held in the Not-So Fabulous Fargodome from now on (unless we end up in the same conference again). You can mark it down right now, it's been decided. UND continues to bow down and kiss the grits of FU and all their media lackeys in Imperial Cass County. We are treating them like an FBS program. While they believe they are FBS in their own minds, they are not FBS in our world. But we are genuflecting to them anyway. Being somebody's plaything won't get you respect, but that is what we are doing here. I hope I am wrong, but I think this is a sad day for UND.

This sounds like a shopping mall. No thank you.

So your solution is what? Just don't build roads and bridges because some landowner will be inconvenienced? Just don't build power lines because someone complains about it? Roads, bridges and basic infrastructure like power lines are what separates the U.S. from third world countries where people are still getting their water in buckets from rivers and roads are nothing more than two ruts in the dirt. We all pay taxes to fund this stuff and we all benefit from them. A couple of cranky malcontents should not be able to dictate policy for an entire city. And no, if a proposed project would impact where I live, I would NOT reflexively cry out NIMBY. I would ask a lot of questions and make sure my concerns were addressed. And if it was determined that my backyard was the best place for the project, I would support it for the good of the city as a whole because I live in that city and I want my community to have what it needs to be a great place to live. As for what is going on out west, I do think more should be done to address the problems the oil boom is causing out there. But the solution is not to just leave the oil in the ground. We need to pump it out, but do it in a way that doesn't hurt people that have been living there for 30, 40, 50 years. It's about balancing competing interests, not taking one side over another. End rant.

I am not saying people shouldn't have a voice in where a bridge is built. But they shouldn't have unlimited veto power, either. It has to go someplace. Thus NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) needs to be combated and defeated.

It's their boilerplate response to critics of the Slummit: #ButtRPI. I for one am relieved we got into the Big Sky Conference and didn't have to accept a bid to the Slummit.

Yeah, you are right, it would involve multiple entities. But depending on where it is built, local government will be involved and that is where the NIMBY syndrome comes into play.

And the reason it is that way is because in Grand Forks, all it takes to stop something like this is to get about a dozen people to go to the appropriate committee meeting and give teary-eyed speeches about how their children will be in constant mortal danger if you build a south-end bridge. Council members need to look past re-election sometimes and make tough choices like this or our three existing bridges will get beat up and require more maintenance sooner than they should. The problem isn't going to go away because some people want it to.

I believe you are correct. That absolutely has to change.

I agree with you. But every time a south-end bridge is even casually talked about, the NIMBY crowd comes out in force with their horror stories of their kids being run over and killed if a bridge is built in their immediate neighborhood. The City Council needs to grow a backbone and decide to do something about this and let the NIMBY crowd howl in protest all they want. I think the majority of Grand Forks citizens would support a decision like this.

If it would make downtown more professional and business-friendly, then I would be open to it.

LOL, that got me to laugh on a gloomy, rainy Monday.

Syracuse going from Orangemen to Orange is in no way, shape or form comparable to our situation. Syracuse is more comparable to Miami (OH) going from Redskins to Redhawks than it is for UND going from Fighting Sioux to "Green and White". And no, I was comparing GFC to UND, not to Syracuse. Nice try, though.

This is why a new nickname is necessary. "Green and White" is not the "next best" anything. G.F. Central tried "Maroon and Grey" and it lasted all of two years; people just weren't going to accept something that generic. But we got stuck with it because of all the "let's just be 'Grand Forks Central' because 'That says it all!'" zealots that were running around at the time. Now history is repeating itself. Let us not repeat the mistakes of G.F. Central. No, no a thousand times NO to "Green and White".

I don't often agree with you, but you are absolutely correct on this. I have a closet full of Fighting Sioux gear and I will continue wearing it. However, at some point UND needs to move on with a different name and identity; as painful as it is for us diehards. The sooner we move on, the sooner we can focus on the teams and athletes.

The MVFC is solid, the Slummit is not. And there was no guarantee of a spot in the MVFC for our FB team when we were shopping for a conference, so that made the Slummit a poor option.

The growth of Grand Forks is fairly recent and thus it will take some time to catch up on infrastructure. Road projects need planning and funding and both of those take time. I think we'll get there in the next couple of years.

I think 47th Avenue South is a possible location for the south-end bridge that we will need at some point. I think we'll also need I-29 Interchanges at 17th Avenue South and 47th Avenue South if we continue growing on the south and west ends like we are now. It is much better to have these problems than have a shrinking tax base, shortage of jobs and lack of amenities that used to plague Grand Forks. If anything, the 1997 flood gave us the opportunity to reinvent ourselves, especially downtown.

This is the problem with a lot of things. We need a south-end bridge.....but people complain and it doesn't happen. We need another N-S artery.....but people will complain and it won't happen. It is time our elected officials tell the NIMBY crowd that they don't have the right to make these decisions for everyone else and just do what needs to be done. Stop thinking about re-election once in a while.

A neutral site game is a very interesting idea and one that should be explored. It would make tons of money for both schools and it would give alumni who live outside of the immediate Red River Valley region a chance to watch their team live and in person. It would also solve the issue of where the game(s) should take place.

Grand Forks is experiencing more, faster growth than it is used to. Which means infrastructure is falling behind. Infrastructure always lags behind growth. Look at Minneapolis-St. Paul; they are always behind the curve when it comes to upgrading interchanges and widening their freeways. Fargo is experiencing the same phenomenon.

Wrong thread gfhockey.

That 35,000 number was being thrown around during the pessimistic post-flood period, which lasted several years. I don't believe it was ever that bad. It is so good to see us moving up instead of down.

A very gross generalization. I for one am not clamoring to play FU again and there are a decent number of people in our fan base that feel the same way. And I am definitely not in favor of Faison genuflecting to the FBS wanna-bes in Fargo.