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Agreed - good thing new names arriving between now and August is almost guaranteed. Everyone contribute to the collective (https://1883collective.com). Bright future for UND football …

Many reasons the coaching staff lost their jobs, including something that had little to do with the quarterback position: the defense was atrocious; no excuse for what the 2024 defense did against Youngstown State, Indiana State, and Illinois State. Fireable actions and glad change finally occurred albeit in a soft “golden parachute” fashion that only UND athletics could pull off …

This is not an unreasonable take, but it’s far too early to commit to this.

Why would you want your QB1 to fail? Sounds like Monday Morning amateur quarterbacking to me … Using multiple quarterbacks is not ideal to the majority. If this is your stance, we respectively disagree. “If you have two quarterbacks, you actually have none.” -attributed to the legendary NFL coach John Madden, suggesting that having too many options can lead to a lack of clear leadership and ultimately, failure.

What does this mean? “not much changing” is not how I would put it at all Offensive staff has changed (new TE coach, new WR coach, new RB coach) and the OC/QB coach and OL coach have been at UND only one season and didn’t have a chance to recruit to their respective positions in 2024. Since last season, UND football acquired possibly their most highly touted division 1 football player to date (HS offers from Oregon, Florida State, BYU, Arizona State, Kansas, Pittsburgh, Nevada, San Jose State, San Diego State; https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/college/und-football-snags-san-diego-state-transfer-quarterback?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR39Tooldbc4k9y07YpPV35LKgYpmALuX58NKFj5kiBlqUfTOc73d5xfDqc_aem_pyPwi9LXS0HA35hHT8yH9Q), in addition to a great high school athlete from Council Bluffs, IA (https://fightinghawks.com/news/2024/12/4/football-north-dakota-announces-23-additions-during-early-signing-period.aspx) In addition, Simon Romfo, Jerry Kaminski, and Jack Sulik will be 1-year more experienced in the system. The offensive line will be also largely intact and 1-year more experienced. I expect the quarterback position as a unit to take a huge step forward in terms of play in 2025 compared to 2024. You all should too.

Meanwhile, at UND (albeit a low-major and not exactly Villanova), after six seasons and a 73-115 record …

Probably wouldn’t be that confident in predicting the future, but it’s okay to predict that Javance Tupouata-Johnson will be the starting quarterback come August 30th (talent does in fact matter). That is my prediction as well, but Romfo, Kaminski, Sulik, etc. will get their shot.

2 year process could happen, sure, but still not the expectation. Need to hold to a high standard from the start. I think a rapid turnaround should and will happen.

Major problem here; couple this with minimal to no NIL dollars for UND MBB and I really don’t think Sather can turn this thing around. Need new coaching staff for culture reset and hopefully NIL dollars accumulate for UND basketball sometime over the next 5-10 years.

You have a high-level talent that gets numerous offers, thus enters the portal, and yet your team with said talent goes 12-21 (5-11) in 2024-25? Where’s the deficiency?

Always an eye-opening reminder that somethings never change around here; again, a microcosm of the problems that currently haunt UND. Two identities making countless comments on one thing while meaning another, just to try prove a point. “If it looks like a horse, then it’s probably a horse.” Some try way too hard on misdirection. The culture of UND cannibalism needs to be eliminated. Anyways, here we are again at a UND coaching discussion. We all know which way this should go, but why do anything efficiently around here?

Correct. But @iramurphy and @jdub27 will call such as alternative fact, baseless assumption, and a strawman argument. This fan board really is good ol’ entertainment, but it also is an interesting microcosm of what presently troubles UND athletics.

Those “assumptions” are based upon more historical foundation and factual circumstance than you either realize or are willing to embrace.

I figured that strategic comment would get your attention. I can appreciate your connections and experience, but I don’t agree with your logic in some circumstances. It’s probably a good thing that you don’t take fan board messages too serious. I don’t either. But the majority decision amongst those that value UND and their athletic programs does in fact matter (or should). Certainly the “decision-makers” will do what they want to do, but as has been said on numerous occasions, if the “decision-makers” such as your beloved Chaves purposely fail to factor in the opinions of season ticket holders, boosters, and alumni, then the “decision-makers” are a part of the problem, not the solution. We all know you’re taking the bet (again) that UND will improve under Chaves, and I’m okay with that because I’m all for optimism, but clearly this subject (UND MBB coach) and associated question has a verdict that needs to be acted on: time for a new MBB head coach.

So loyal and committed to UND that you fail to hold UND to a higher standard: a grave example of being too far on one side of the spectrum.

Probably more appropriate in this thread.

Of course. Everyone is.

UND men’s basketball is in a tough situation. Facilities and dollars for staff (and players now with NIL) just aren’t there for this to be an attractive job. With that said, you still need to look at whether or not you can improve coaching to better compensate for the deficiencies, some of which you can’t control (e.g., location). I think it is time to part ways with Sather, especially since UND will likely be parting ways (unintentionally) with Eaglestaff also. Time to see what a new coach can do for UND MBB. Now, will UND leadership actually do their job and make the move? Probably not - I have little faith, despite how well the transition to Coach Schmidt for football has gone thus far.

All eyes on ya and… this? what the hell UND basketball typical crap

c^3 =culture creates championships Hawk time

Disagree. NDSU and SDSU at home to end the season is excellent. Going to be a fun time bringing fb championships back to the northernmost (better) end of I29.

UND will win playoff games in 2025 (this year). Book it.

Wow. Dangerous logic here folks.

The “general fan” in Grand Forks is a poor abused one, whose soul has recently been crushed and countlessly conditioned to believe UND is inferior to NDSU and other regional DI institutions. The “general fan” for UND currently is in need of serious rehabilitation, and for football, that process has gone wonderfully thus far. There’s no question basketball needs the same treatment. The standard of excellence for UND athletics needs to be raised, and hearing defense of the status quo over and over again is tiring and not helpful, but there are factors at play not mentioned here that need to be considered, also.

Being aware of the landscape is important, and decisions can be and should be partially influenced by the opposition, but I suppose I agree with you that opposing fan bases shouldn’t directly be influencers.