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Wonder how many will actually go on sale to the general public? UND has said they will hold some back for a presale for Champions Club members. Guessing they could sell all 6,000 just to that group if they were able to.

Not sure off the top of my head but nothing within walking distance that I can remember. It is still kind of by itself though the development is making its way towards it. Pretty sure there are quite a few bars that run shuttles for events there though, which is a good thing because parking can be a disaster.

And it continues..... UND Student Body President Attacked On Social Media For Vetoing Buffalo Feed Funding Request

UND is 27-2-1 when scoring at least 3 goals. Sounds good to me.

It is no one's fault, it shouldn't be offensive but it could have been worded better. Unfortunately the reality we currently live in is one where people go out of their way to be offended. There was absolutely no ill intent in their banner. It shouldn't have required a comment from Kelley but I'm pretty certain it would have been a bigger mess had he not gotten out in front of it to control the message. If he doesn't comment and the PC police bring it to the paper or TV station's attention, they blow it up and UND is reacting from a defensive position.

Not a whole lot of arguments, but I believe Klieman's total comp package is less than Bohl's before he left (different structure though), though they are close and NDSU needed to pony up as I've heard that Klieman originally intended on going with Bohl. I suppose that Richman probably could have joined Saul or Miles' staff for similar money if he didn't get the NDSU job, so that probably played into it some. Agree that USD raised the bar, but since it appears they really wanted Smith, they didn't have a choice between what he was making at Nebraska and their ability to only offer 1 year contracts. While NDSU may be more familiar with Richman than USD is with Smith, I think that Smith definitely has a stronger resume.

I know the feeling. Could have been where I saw it a few weeks ago as well.

All fair points and exactly why I stated that I think Jones has roughly 2 more years to prove his case. Very curious what he can do without the senior class that graduates this spring. I want to see if some of the issues that we saw were due to his coaching or due to the players on the court or how much of a combination of both it was. Not expecting a miracle next year but I'd like to think the record will similar, though I don't see UND fairing as well in conference play. Seeing some success next year would also be encouraging that UND isn't going to settle for being a contender once every 4-5 years. The classes need to balance out for that to happen and while maybe not ideal, bringing in some JuCo's is both bridging the gap and balancing out the classes. As to your last point, well aware that Jones is below the other Dakota schools, my only point is that he received a 15%+ raise to get to 6 figures after the first year in the Big Sky, he wasn't below that threshold anymore. And again, the South Dakota school's can only offer 1 year contracts, they can offer more up front knowing there is no buyout on an extended year contract. If Richman flops at NDSU, they are on the hook for 5 years at $190k. If Smith flops at USD, they can cut ties after any season they want.

Different sport but similar technology:

I agree that there is more to it than just numbers but to say what is presented is meaningless is being willfully ignorant. Here are some quick breakdowns of percentage of students who get waivers: ND Students UND - 18.2% NDSU - 24.0% Non ND Residents UND - 5.8% NDSU - 17.4% International UND - 26.7% NDSU - 78.9% Total waivers given out UND - 2,430 to 2,022 unduplicated students worth $8.9 million NDSU - 5,034 to 3,892 unduplicated students wroth $18.0 million UND gave out 699 full waivers worth $3.7 million. NDSU gave out 1,044 full waivers worth $7.3 million. Of waivers given out, the number that was mandated by statutes or policy was 328 waivers worth $486K for UND and 424 worth $699K for NDSU (schools had no choice but to give these waivers). My two points: 1) 25.1% of NDSU students get a waiver of some sort and they give out 57% of the total waivers in the entire NDUS system. By comparison, UND is at 12.1% and 28%. I don't care how you spin it, that is a significant disparity, especially considering the numbers include UND's law and med school. 2) While there are grants and stipends that come along with some of these waivers, NDSU continues to claim they are underfunded while adding to their enrollment with students who aren't paying tuition/room/board/etc or only portions of it. So not only are there a large amount of students getting waivers (revenue NDSU is foregoing), NDSU is getting still gets funding from the state to support them because as far as I can tell, the funding formula includes all students, regardless of how much of a waiver they get. Not bad from NDSU's perspective.

No clue on how Klieman will end up as a head coach, but he did step into a national championship defense full of experienced underclassman that was put together by Hazelton. He was obviously able to maintain it quite well, but the ground work was well into to place before he stepped on campus.

The extension Jones signed last summer brought his salary to $100k this past season, so he is not well below that mark. He's obviously fairly paid at this point otherwise he would have bolted, paying him more isn't going to all of the sudden make him a better coach. I'd expect he'd get a raise, rightfully so, if UND made a trip to the NCAA tournament. He has a lot of proving to do over the next two seasons to show what kind of coach he is, especially now that he has had a few years to recruit the players he wants with no obstacles put in his way. If Jones leaves or is let go, I fully expect Faison will allocate the proper funds to hire a new head coach as he has done in the past. USD had no choice to pay Craig Smith what they did, they made a great higher and he accepted a slight paycut to come there. No clue why NDSU game Richman the salary they did, seems high for the experience he has. He wanted the job, has been at NDSU his entire career except for one year at NDSCS and never been a head coach. Smith from USD has coached in the B1G, the MWC and has head coaching experience, including being national coach of the year in the NAIA. Congrats to him for getting it though. I will add the caveat that it is tough to use USD and SDSU's salaries as comparisons as they are only one year deals. If things go south, they don't have to be concerned about a buyout situation.

The jury on Jones is still out for me but he is 2-2 against Saul and has won the two most recent recruiting battles against NDSU that I'm aware of. Not sure how you can already have an opinion on Bubba, but whatever floats your boat.

The extension he signed in August was for a base of $175K for this season not including bonuses.

And it was pretty accurate after Woodside and Co graduated. Took a brand new class to be seniors before they were able to get back to the same spot. 2009-2010 - First Round loss 2010-2011 - First Round loss 2011-2012 - First Round loss 2012-2013 - Lost in Championship game 2013-2014 - Won Championship

You have an interesting way of winning arguments.

Those ROI numbers are based off of 636 individuals for NDSU and 477 individuals for UND over an unnamed period of time, all of which are self-reported, not actively collected by the website. Not that either the Forum or Herald took time to look too deep into the numbers, but I would hardly put much stock into numbers that small. Their total sample size represents well under 20% of what UND graduates in a single year, yet their "study" is based on what people will/have made over a 20 year time frame. Again, not a real strong sample size. Their site is what it is, but the idea of using a site no one has ever heard of to claim a school is better than the other is no better than claiming the one other is better because a magazine article said it's more influential.

No. I think they both were pretty pointless. But seeing FU fans throw a fit about a pretty random article by Time magazine and saying it was meaningless and then work themselves into a frenzy from the chest thumping based off a website pretty much no one had heard of until this is amusing

Well except for the part where he was on the cusp of a fairly serious NCAA violation, seemed like a solid plan. Guessing the coaching staff and GT were thrilled when they heard about it.

Wait, so using random internet sites that use random methodology to compare things is OK now? Wasn't it just last week that the FU faithful were up in arms about that being ridiculous?

When's the last time GT paid a quality team to come to Fargo?

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Practice cancelled for the day.

There you go ruining another "fact" filled FU rant.

Drake