jdub27

Have you seen what happens to anyone who supports anything besides "no nickname" or somehow magically bringing back Fighting Sioux on any of those threads on Facebook? Going against the grain there is pointless, the comments overall are the most uneducated takes I've read on the situation, absolutely laughable. Facts being optional would be an improvement. And I guarantee you'd be lucky to find 2% of those people on any donation or season ticket list, you know, people having actual skin in the game.

What's funny about it is that it will actually be cited by places that supposedly have some sort of journalistic standards.

Your post must have alerted the "no nickname" crowd. There was over 1,000 votes cast overnight with the majority of them going for "no nickname" to get it back in the lead by a few percentage point.

When you give everyone a voice and try to make sure everyone is happy, that's what you're going to end up with. I thought there were some really good ones that had a lot of potential but getting something unique and instantly liked/accepted out of this process was never going to happen, which is unfortunate but reality.

I really didn't expect anything more. It is what happens when you try to be all inclusive and let everyone have a voice.

They really, really, really don't mean that much. As I stated earlier, I saw people commenting on how many times they voted for "no nickname" and encouraged others to do the same because: "Fighting Sioux!". Most definitely did not see that kind of manipulation for the other choices. Again, exactly why any public vote needs to have very tight controls.

I think it'd depend on who was allowed to vote (and how many times). The last two polls (while a small sample size and very unscientific) have Roughriders as the favorite. It would also depend on what other names and how many are put on the ballot, splitting the vote for those that do not want "no nickname".

Didn't even catch that, but you are correct. Still an incredibly inaccurate headline but yeah, just trying to generate page views.

I still haven't figured out his angle on this but his headline that "Newspaper Readers overwhelmingly Oppose New UND Nickname" is absolutely classic. The poll was absolutely trash but regardless, 66.4% of people voted for a new nickname. That seems to be quit opposite of his headline. Math must be hard.

The speed at which "no nickname" went from losing by 12% or so (37-27) to up by 8% (40-32) was confusing until I ran across a couple "Fighting Sioux Forever" Facebook posts with people proclaiming about the tons of votes they had entered and encouraging other to do the same. But don't worry, it will get passed as legitimate by the Forum and apparently Rob Port. This is exactly why if there is any sort of public vote that it needs to have significant controls. Also, Facebook comments must be where all the intelligent folk moved on to after the GF Herald and Fargo Forum shut down their comments section. Uneducated hot takes galore!!

I think it was in reference to how the committee scored it, those are the only two that didn't receive a negative score from any of the members.

Some interesting tidbits that mean absolutely nothing: One of the highest on North Stars (+7) also hated Roughriders (-2, only negative score) The two highest on Green Hawks (+7) were not huge fans of Fighting Hawks (+4, +2) Two of the four highest on Fighting Hawks (+7, +5) did not like Green Hawks (-1, -1) "No Nickname" was the only choice that had three scores of 0 or lower, Green Hawks and North Stars were the only other options that had at least two while Nodaks and Fighting Hawks had no negative scores 5 committee members gave out no score of 0 or worse, 4 had one, 1 had two and 1 had three Using an arbitrary score of "6" as strongly in favor of, Roughrider had the support of 5, Sundogs and North Stars had 4, No Nickname, Fighting Hawks and Green Hawks had 2 and Nodaks had 13 If you change that to a score of "5", North Stars had the support of 7, Roughriders and Sundogs had 5, Fighting Hawks and Green Hawks had 4 and Nodaks and No Nickname had 3.

I thought KG said that Spirit was something he liked? I didn't see anything that he openly supported Sundogs, but even if he does, looking at the vote totals, he clearly isn't the only one.

Someone needs to e-mail PadillaCRT the link to Sundogs from urbandictionary. Interesting, but not surprising, that they took the time to check out Roughriders but nothing else.

Pretty original too. There are 9 other colleges at various levels who had a Native American related nickname and now have some variation of "Hawks": Chowam Hawks - formerly Braves (2006) Dickinson State Blue Hawks - formerly Savages (1972) IUP Crimson Hawks - formerly Indians (2006) Louisiana-Monroe Warhawks - formerly Indians (2006) Miami RedHawks - formerly Redskins (1997) Ripon Red Hawks - formerly Redmen (1985) Southeast Missouri State Redhawks - formerly Indians and Otahkians (2005) Seattle Redhawks - formerly Chieftains (2000) Stonehill Skyhawks - formerly Chieftains (2005)

Choosing "no nickname" will be the opposite of unifying. There are groups already sharpening their claws if it happens because they, all along with anyone paying attention, realize "no nickname" is just a cover for Fighting Sioux.

They were two votes away from basically ending this circus but only 4 people on the committee had the guts to remove "no nickname", short of the 6 needed. Not like they were going on a limb either since it ranked 7th out 9, coming in slightly behind the powerful Green Hawks and Fighting Hawks. Despite that, there were a couple relevant quotes from last night that at least gives me hope that there are some on the committee who "get it": -Carla Christofferson: "Majority of public wanted North Dakota as nickname but many are just mad about Sioux logo retirement". -Chelsea Moser: "Saying we're going to be North Dakota to me means saying we're going to stay the Fighting Sioux" -On keeping North Dakota, Lowell Schweigert says "What is popular is not always right. Have courage."

I'm not positive but I believe they are 10'x20'.

Wasn't the NCAA Executive Committee granted the power by the membership to make rules on behalf of the membership? With that, they don't need votes or litigation to make a policy that would subject UND to penalties, though I'm still not sold that the settlement agreement itself doesn't cover it for them but its clear we won't agree on that. Doesn't the settlement agreement say that UND is subject to being placed back on the sanctions list if they don't not adhere to terms agreed upon, which was either a)get tribal approval or b)retire the Fighting Sioux nickname and adopt a new nickname? UND subjected itself to different rules (two tribes, timelines, etc) with the settlement agreement.

Right, wrong or indifferent, I did notice in the GF Herald article last week, they made a point to distance themselves from this particular incident:

Their current athletic aid is split 39/61, so that might be the more accurate number since FCOA only goes to scholarship athletes (for comparison, UND is at 49/51). I guess debating on Larsen's quote to whether their athletes are treated equal is a subjective thing and assuming he is talking strictly about the athletes that are on campus, he probably has solid ground to stand on. What isn't subjective is that NDSU provide nowhere near the opportunities for student athletes that all measures besides their "surveys" seem to show they should. What they aren't treating equally is the opportunity for women student athletes, since for every single opportunity provided for a women, there are 2.2 opportunities provided for men.

Wasn't your buddy Blais #umproud? Simple question.

Some holes in your math.... -NDSU isn't necessarily guaranteed to have 6 home games every year (though have held strong on it thus far). -NDSU has 4,000 student tickets allocated per game plus whatever they are required to give to the visitor plus player tickets. Even if you only included the student tickets, you've just lost 20% of your "new-found" revenue. Your idea probably gets them halfway there.

While no more scientific than anything a newspaper runs, very interesting to see that "no nickname" is in fact not the overwhelming favorite in the two most recent SiouxSports polls and in fact is behind Roughriders in both polls. Can I now use those numbers and claim the overwhelming majority wants Roughriders or how does that work?

Not sure we can trust you or the %gobc any more. Didn't know the head coach was leaving, was wrong on the new head coach, wrong on the new assistant coach and wrong that Schmaltz was going to stick around when Berry was named head coach. That's a lot of time spent behind the 8 ball...