Bison06

It’s just as common to take a preworkout before a game as it is a workout. Athletes at all levels of sports use these supplements for training as well as performances/games. They are just as ubiquitous as protein shakes. I can’t speak to the details of the second part of your post since I don’t know exactly what he took. If it was as the other poster said “clean victory” brand. I’ve never heard of that specific brand, but reading on their website and looking at the label there isn’t any ingredient on the label that would trigger a positive test(not surprising given the industry). So either he took something else too(unlikely I’d say, or he wouldn’t be going public) or there is something in this supplement that isn’t on the label(again, not surprising)

If he’s saying it’s a fact, what makes you doubt him?

Sorry, you’re correct I missed his post. So the supplement is a line called “clean victory” he says. Is this speculation or a known truth?

Who is? I haven’t read anywhere that people are confirming the actual supplement he took.

I can’t speak to how many people took supplements from BN, but I’ve been hearing that your comments on players thinking he shouldn’t be around is spot on.

I think you two are just getting your wires crossed on “we know what he took”. You’re saying we don’t know exactly which stimulant and preworkout he took. He’s saying it’s been confirmed that he took a preworkout supplement and tested positive for a stimulant. So, you’re just using the words “we know what he took” to mean different levels of detail. I’m with you on this though as far as details I’d be interested to know. I’d love to know which preworkout he took and exactly what stimulant it had in it that the NCAA bans? It would help me know a lot about the physiological effects and how much of an advantage he gained by taking it.

Red Bull is much worse for you than most preworkout supplements.

What are you asking? The specific stimulant that he tested positive for? The specific preworkout supplement he took? As far as I know, those aren’t known. What can be confirmed is he tested positive for a an NCAA banned stimulant, and he has stated publicly(through his mom) that it came from a preworkout drink. When his mom is saying that “all the kids are taking it throughout the lockeroom” does she mean, they are taking this specific preworkout supplement or just in general taking a preworkout supplement? Because if the first is true, you’d expect that there would have been more players testing positive, if the second is what BR told her and she said in her quote than it’s a different story.

So it was a roommate, meaning another student or another student/athlete? By the logic I’m seeing on this board by some, that should have been enough of a smoking gun to investigate the entire University and athletic department for lack of institutional control.

Thanks for proving my point that jumping to conclusions without the facts is laughable. You don’t know for sure where the UND player got his Adderall.

Thanks for proving my point on how jumping to conclusions without the facts is laughable.

The fact that you would characterize it with those words is quite telling. You make it sound like the damn Columbia’s cartel set up shop in the basement of the fargodome. If you can’t make it at whatever career you’re at now, you’ll always have a job writing headlines for CNN.

He didn’t have a prescription, so he either got it from another player who did or another university student. Either way, calling for sanctions is laughable.

I’m assuming that you called for sanctions for UND when your guy got popped for Adderall then too right?

Given JMU had players suspended for the same reason following our game with them, maybe the question should be how their dealer got better stuff than ours.

Damn it, I even debated putting in whom too.

Fair enough. Do you feel the James Madison national championship is tainted because they had players suspended for a positive test following the semifinal game with NDSU?

So with the information you have, you think NDSU cheated their way to 7 out of 8 national championships?

Ok, I’m not doubting you, I just like to read things first hand. Was in it an article or what’s your source if you don’t mind?

Where did you read this? I’ve been looking.

Truth in many cases is a matter of perspective. Light is a particle, no, light is a photon. Both are true, depends on how it’s being observed. The absolute truth is out there somewhere, but her statement isn’t the end all be all of facts in this case if you look at her involvement.

Suspicious, sure, me too. Jumping to crazy conclusions based on your own personal bias and no facts? I don’t see that as logical.

She’s a third party that has no real knowledge of the locker room. Not calling her a liar, but any knowledge she has was given to her second hand by BR who could have said what I’m trying to tell all of you about preworkout supplements. “Everybody uses them”

Nope, they specifically keep it vague. We were told dozens of times that the only way to be certain you pass any test is to take absolutely no supplements. Something as simple as a protein shake can have banned substances in it without being on the label.

How so? Seems like exactly the same to me?