Bison06

You literally quoted me, I’ve said that since the beginning. It is an extremely well known fact that supplement industries are notorious for putting things in their supplements that aren’t explicitly stated on the label or in different quantities than are on the label. It’s the Wild West and players are well educated on this fact through the compliance department at every NCAA institution. I blame BN if all the details that are coming out for bringing any supplement into a college lockeroom because he would know the supplement industry is notorious for this. But, some of the blame has to be on the player who should know he was playing with fire by putting anything in his body. Though, if I was in his shoes and had a close relationship with a guy like BN, I could see not thinking twice about taking it. I really do feel bad for BR and hope this isn’t the end of his football story.

Again, do some reading on the supplement industry and it’s labeling standards and then you’ll be able to bring an valuable contribution to this discussion.

The suspended player didn’t have a script and was given the drugs from someone who did. In the eyes of the FBI and the DEA giving someone a controlled substance they don’t have a prescription for and speculation....paying them for the meds is dealing drugs and depending on the scale of it all would lead to charges being filed.

Your complete lack of understanding of how the supplement industry is run is becoming apparent.

I immediately noticed the irony of the name too. Hilarious actually if it turns out that is the product.

Or I just appreciate a good discussion. The world doesn’t have the corner bar or the barbershop to discuss meaningless things anymore so people do it in online forums.

So if it comes out in a couple days that he in fact took “clear victory”? What will you say, lucky guess?

I’m easily fooled because I know who the people behind a couple of usernames are on a forum and know their connection to the program? Got it.

You’ve derailed man. Bisonville isn’t the source I hold credible, it’s a few specific posters who are more connected with the program than I could ever hope to be. They don’t post without the facts.

Now who’s having trouble with reading comprehension? Others who are in the know are saying the same thing on Bisonville. Anybody else who would know saying the same thing as you?

Fact?

You guys realize that many people who are very close to the program, who post on Bisonville are also saying the supplement was “clear victory”. I know who many of the posters are on Bisonville and a few of them that are saying it’s “clear victory” wouldn’t be putting out publicly if it wasn’t absolutely true. So I think we’re past the point of speculating what supplement BR took.

That’s not the point in this context. We’ve been wondering for days what BR took and nobody knows. Then somebody comes out at says I know for a fact it was “clean victory”, why would your initial reaction be to call BS on it. I’m not saying his statement is fact, but I don’t have a reason not to believe him either so why assume he’s making it up?

It’s just as common to take a preworkout before a game as it is a workout. Athletes at all levels of sports use these supplements for training as well as performances/games. They are just as ubiquitous as protein shakes. I can’t speak to the details of the second part of your post since I don’t know exactly what he took. If it was as the other poster said “clean victory” brand. I’ve never heard of that specific brand, but reading on their website and looking at the label there isn’t any ingredient on the label that would trigger a positive test(not surprising given the industry). So either he took something else too(unlikely I’d say, or he wouldn’t be going public) or there is something in this supplement that isn’t on the label(again, not surprising)

If he’s saying it’s a fact, what makes you doubt him?

Sorry, you’re correct I missed his post. So the supplement is a line called “clean victory” he says. Is this speculation or a known truth?

Who is? I haven’t read anywhere that people are confirming the actual supplement he took.

I can’t speak to how many people took supplements from BN, but I’ve been hearing that your comments on players thinking he shouldn’t be around is spot on.

I think you two are just getting your wires crossed on “we know what he took”. You’re saying we don’t know exactly which stimulant and preworkout he took. He’s saying it’s been confirmed that he took a preworkout supplement and tested positive for a stimulant. So, you’re just using the words “we know what he took” to mean different levels of detail. I’m with you on this though as far as details I’d be interested to know. I’d love to know which preworkout he took and exactly what stimulant it had in it that the NCAA bans? It would help me know a lot about the physiological effects and how much of an advantage he gained by taking it.

Red Bull is much worse for you than most preworkout supplements.

What are you asking? The specific stimulant that he tested positive for? The specific preworkout supplement he took? As far as I know, those aren’t known. What can be confirmed is he tested positive for a an NCAA banned stimulant, and he has stated publicly(through his mom) that it came from a preworkout drink. When his mom is saying that “all the kids are taking it throughout the lockeroom” does she mean, they are taking this specific preworkout supplement or just in general taking a preworkout supplement? Because if the first is true, you’d expect that there would have been more players testing positive, if the second is what BR told her and she said in her quote than it’s a different story.

So it was a roommate, meaning another student or another student/athlete? By the logic I’m seeing on this board by some, that should have been enough of a smoking gun to investigate the entire University and athletic department for lack of institutional control.

Thanks for proving my point that jumping to conclusions without the facts is laughable. You don’t know for sure where the UND player got his Adderall.

Thanks for proving my point on how jumping to conclusions without the facts is laughable.

The fact that you would characterize it with those words is quite telling. You make it sound like the damn Columbia’s cartel set up shop in the basement of the fargodome. If you can’t make it at whatever career you’re at now, you’ll always have a job writing headlines for CNN.