Bison06

That’s not what a troll is. Providing an opposing viewpoint is called a conversation.

I did. Every once in a while I somehow convince myself that actual logic will prevail in these situations. I’ll learn someday...maybe, haha.

You guys are hilarious. I guess the level of outrage around here is completely dependent on whose ox is being gored. Keep your holier than thou attitude for when UND’s player go through their next failed test, we both know it’s just a matter of time for every team.

See that’s the problem here that you seem not to be understanding. Nobody cheated, he broke the rules and was appropriately punished per the NCAA. It’s being reported, just not as immediate as UND fans would like. It would be cheating if an ineligible player had played following a positive test.

I’m not saying anything, I have zero insider info. Reporting is a choice, which stories you decide to make important is subjective at all levels of reporting. It isn’t as if the media didn’t have a million other stories to run that are arguably just as interesting to their readers. You sincerely think it’s the job of the media to objectively report? It hasn’t been that way in 50+ years if it was ever that way. They didn’t cover something up, they just chose not to run it as a story until after the game. I don’t see the scandal here.

The point doesn’t change. Answer this question directly: Is it the job of local media to provide a competitive advantage to the opponent?

I think FlinFlan80 made a great point above about that. Is it the local media’s job to reveal insider information to your opponent that could help the opponent? What if the player wasn’t planning to play for some other reason, like an injury. Should the media that covers the local team all year write stories about that to “be a good journalist” or should they keep that to themselves as to not give away insider info to an opponent. I think some may be making a mountain out of a mole hill on this one.

What exactly is the scandal here in your mind? If he had played in the game and then it came out that he tested positive, sure now we have a pretty shady situation. But, he didn’t make the trip, he didn’t play, the coach addressed it directly in no uncertain terms and the player is appealing the suspension. In all honesty, even if the shoe was on the other foot here and it was a UND player I wouldn’t be unsatisfied with the story being told at this stage. Now, if some of the other rumors turn out to be true, I would expect there to be some questions asked, but at this stage what more is there to say about it?

I was confusing two conversation I had on the timing. The first that I know about Coach Klieman addressing it publicly is in the post-game presser, not the pregame. 22:45, question by Kolpack

I’m sure that gets a lot of laughs in circles you run in.

Hmm, you’re right. I’ll have to look through other press conferences from earlier maybe. I definitely heard coach klieman address it before Saturday, I just can’t remember when. I’ll keep looking.

I’ll look.

I’m not sure what timeline you’re working off, but it was first addressed as far as I know the day before the game by coach klieman at the press conference. I don’t remember his exact words, but he definitely brought it up and was very clear as to why he didn’t make the trip.

Obviously, I hope this is the case, some of the rumors I’ve heard from more than one person suggest it may not be so simple as that. But you know how the rumor mill can be. Until the official story comes out, I’m going to give the benefit of the doubt.

Our discourse yesterday(between you and me) has nothing to do with this topic. You are confusing me with another poster. our discussion was about injuries.

Rumor mill is churning with lots of stories right now, hard to know what’s true, but your sources are saying similar things to mine.

You’re not wrong on any of that, technically. It is a fact that FCS football is a true second tier, but in my mind this is only the case due to the unique nature of NCAA Football and it’s “official” tier system. Every other sport has a heirarchy just the same as NCAA football, but it’s “unofficial”. Technically, Rice has an equal chance to win the College Football Playoff as Clemson, but do they really? There is an unofficial split between P5 and G5, but since they technically play for the same championship they “play the same level of football” Those of us who follow FCS football are simply arguing that in terms of quality of play and brand recognition, FCS teams at the top and the G5 are the same.

This debate seems to come up every year, where do the top teams in FCS rank in comparison to the FBS. My take isn’t based only on NDSU. Any given year, the FCS final four, in my mind, are similarly competitive to any team ranked outside of the top 25 in FBS, some years maybe slightly higher for the best FCS teams. There is evidence to back this up if you look back at the teams top FCS squads beat the years they win the FCS championship. There are exceptions of course, but that’s about where they would end up most years I believe. I understand your point, but it’s much more complicated than the top FCS being, by definition, only the 132nd best football team in the country. Brand matters in college athletics, and there is far more overlap between all levels of football in both quality of play and brand equity than you are willing to concede it seems. Using a non-NDSU team to illustrate my point: Who is more well known to the average football fan? Mount Union(division III) or Charlotte University(FBS). Outside of die-hard fans, you’d hear a lot of “didn’t realize Charlotte has a team”

I agree, as was Dudzik if you look back. In defense of both of them, our defense is designed to funnel most running plays to the safety so if they miss a tackle the play is going to go big.

I'm a broken record here it seems, but the parallels to '13/'14 are everywhere in this offseason. Grimsley took over for Dudzik and everyone said the same thing. Grimsley took a minute to step in as a freshman, but overall did well. I feel confident Tutsie will be the next great safety at NDSU. Klieman spoke more highly of him than any player I can think of in recent memory.

Foles has been the QB on an eagles team that has won some big games, yes. Has he played well when he has stepped in for Wentz? Some games yes very good, some games they won in spite of his performance. Even the last game, sure he lead a game winning drive, but I wouldn’t say he played particularly well in that game. His stats certainly don’t paint an incredible picture. Wins are certainly what matters at the end of a game, but there is no way to know how last season plays out if Carson doesn’t get hurt. Maybe he continues playing at an mvp level and they win the Super Bowl anyway, we’ll never know. I’m not sure about saying Foles is better in Philly’s system, I’m gonna disagree there.

You’re arguing both sides here. You were saying earlier that if a player is truly injured they will sit out(Wentz). But now you are saying that you and I both played injured. Which narrative are you going with here?

Example: broke my hand badly in a college game in ‘04. Came to the sideline for an evaluation, yep it’s broke. Coach comes over and asks the trainer if I can make it worse by playing, nope. Played the rest of the game, scheduled for season ending surgery on Monday.