Bison06

All signs point this direction, yep.

I’m not sure what your lifting background is, but anyone who spends time in a gym will tell you that the vast majority of men who are serious about their workouts take some sort of preworkout supplement. I can guarantee you, if you went to the UND weight room this morning and asked the team how many people in this room take something before their workout to get them going, the majority of hands would go up. A lot of guys use coffee to be safe, but others use supplements. Go to any GNC and ask to see their preworkout supplements, they are everywhere. The mistake that this kid made, was not being absolutely sure that he could take this particular preworkout supplement and whichever person associated with the team that gave him the impression, implicitly or explicitly that it was safe, should be addressed and handled appropriately. I’m not trying to downplay what happened here, just merely trying to put it in the proper perspective since many here are equating taking a preworkout to taking steroids or HGH. Completely different universes.

I’ve been out of the program for years, the effects have worn off.

I agree and at the end of the day, just knowing how these things tend to go, I fear the kid will be the only one to suffer. As I stated last night, I’m 99% sure I know who the “trusted staff member” is and I am all for this person not being allowed to be around our student athletes moving forward. I don’t take issue with anyone criticizing NDSU for any of the above, it’s a problem and as an alum I’m for it being addressed immediately. As to people calling into question NDSU’s success and discrediting the program and actually calling out individual players as having taken anabolic agents, as I said, let’s keep the conversation on the facts. Is it a problem that this kid tested positive, absolutely. But the facts are he is the only one out of hundreds of players over the years that has tested positive. So let’s go easy on the steroid BS.

If any of you would read the actual story you’d see how foolish your rhetoric is this morning. He said it was a standard preworkout supplement and he tested positive for a stimulant. There are categories of drugs for a reason people, this isn’t rocket science. You’d think the medical professionals on this board would be speaking up on this. For those who are stating that NDSU has had players in the past perform bigger than their size insinuating they got some sort of anabolic affect from this “preworkout” drink, simply don’t understand physiology. Stimulants aren’t anabolic, in fact, long term use can be catabolic. https://drugabuse.com/stimulants/effects-use/ best source I could find real quick. NDSU has opened itself up to criticism on this and I’d like questions to be asked and investigated as to the specific details. But, keep it to the facts people, you guys are like CNN right now with your logic leaps.

I’ll be honest about this, it looks bad. If true and I have no reason to believe it’s not, I feel horrible for the kid. I am 99% sure, I know who the “trusted staff member” is and am very disappointed about this all.

Does it? How many is throughout the lockeroom then, precisely? Throughout the lockeroom is a relative term that doesn’t give any real idea of the scale. It’s like saying “a lot of guys on the team”, how many is a lot?

She’s using relative terms, not lying.

The people who were in the room for that conversation all seemed to walk away happy. That’s enough for me I suppose.

Your commitment to the bit is admirable.

What makes you think any NDSU fan would have access to that information? Can we agree that if what you’re saying is 100% true, that they would have had to have told Graetz about their reason? Can we also agree that if that reason didn’t pass as aboveboard with Graetz and his family that they likely wouldn’t have agreed to send their child to be coached by these coaches? I’m not sure what answer you’re looking for here.

This is the whole point that’s being discussed. “I have no doubt”, but you don’t know for sure. Just like NDSU fans “have no doubt” that our coaches treated recruits with respect during a difficult process. So many times, many on this board fail to see their own hypocrisy when they defend their guy when they “have no doubt”, but will call NDSU coaches out for playing dirty. Even if you are hearing directly from an inside source how things went down, it’s still just a matter of perspective in most cases. Tone down the NDSU is the evil empire rhetoric for a minute and reality will become clear again.

On Bisonville maybe. Most NDSU fans I know are hyper critical of the team and everything that surrounds it. We hold the team to a higher standard than your average rube. But, the amount of trying to discredit NDSU’s success by insinuating or outright accusing NDSU of cheating their way to seven national championships in eight years that’s been happening on this board lately is ridiculous, so I speak up to defend my guys.

You have to admit that’s pretty comical given the conversation.

You mean see the best in and give the benefit of the doubt to the people we cheer for and donate time/energy/money to? You just described every college football fan in the country.

Official visits don’t always end in an offer. You are 100% in the know on every communication that happened with the Florida kid? It just seems like you are making logic leaps based on whatever “insider” information you believe you have and always spinning it in the worst possible way in regards to how NDSU acted.

And you see this as shady? Again, if the player felt he was getting kicked around and not communicated to, why would he accept the offer? This is such a common practice it’s not even worth bringing up. “Hey, we like you and another guy, he’s slightly higher on our list and we are extending you an offer contingent on him turning us down, we’ve given him until this weekend and then the scholarship offer is withdrawn and it’s yours, if that works for you” If you think conversations like that aren’t happening every single day in DI recruiting, then I’m not sure what to say.

I’m not buying this holier than thou act you’ve been playing lately. Recruiting is a zero sum game with real winners and losers. Every school(including your beloved hawks) do things that serve their own interests at times at the expense of others. I have no idea of the details of what you’re talking about, but the kid seems quite happy with his commitment to NDSU, doubt he would have committed if he felt the coaches were doing things that didn’t sit well with him.

Question wasn’t directed at me, but I’ll say I don’t know the answer to that. Why do you think Coach Roehl did that? If indeed he did.

I agree with you, I’ve been very consistent on that. It matters, because in the context of this conversation, NDSU’s coaches are the ones making the scholarship offers.

Many people on this board seem to ignore or have a complete inability to handle nuances in conversations. Is UND, NDSU's primary rival? In many ways yes. If you read the thread, it is specifically about recruiting and even more precisely it's about the recruitment of a single player. The allegation is NDSU offered a valuable scholarship, at the most important position in sports to a guy, only because they didn't want UND to have him. So to that allegation, I've been responding. So to that allegation, do NDSU's coaches see UND as such a threat to them that they would do something as extreme as use a scholarship on a player that they don't think can help them win enough to be worthy of that scholarship? I do not believe NDSU's coaches view UND that way.

How many coaches on the staff have ever coached a game against UND? UND is the primary rival to the fans in my opinion, but to the coaches? I doubt they see it that way.

Probably closer to a thousand by my math, but I didn’t want to come off too hyperbolic.

Which coach on the staff sees UND as their primary rival?

From a timing standpoint, maybe the coaching changeover is playing a role. Could be possible that the new coaching staff either put a higher priority on the position in this cycle than the previous staff, or the new staff could have had this guy rated higher than the previous staff and decided to extend the scholly offer. As I’ve been saying, there are a hundred scenarios that are more likely than the NDSU staff seeing that UND offered and as a sole causal factor decided to offer a valuable scholarship to a guy they didn’t think was worthy of it.