Bison06

How many UND players is it fair for me to rightfully accuse of taking Adderall when only the one kid tested positive a few years back. “I think the whole UND athletic department has an Adderall issue, it’s been rampant for years, they’re lucky only one player was caught” How ridiculous does that sound?

Smh

It’s disengenous to state opinions as facts.

I don’t know BN nor do I care if he goes down in this deal if that’s the outcome. But, I think it’s important to note that it’s very possible and likely that this wasn’t done intentionally. Either way it’s extremely irresponsible on his part if true, but it’s possible he isn’t exactly the devil either. As we’ve discussed extensively, the supplement industry is the Wild West. If I was in his position, I would never take on the liability associated with giving a player anything at all.

I agree, but would take away the word intentional as they also make no distinction there.

I would agree, the word reimbursed was chosen very carefully I would wager. As was the rest of his statement.

You’re the only one who specifically framed it that way. Others are having a much more robust conversation surrounding the topic.

I’m not a lawyer. Someone else might be able to speak to the technicalities of who would be liable if indeed BN did supply the supplement.

Agreed, definitely not a good look and I would hope that even if legally NDSU has to isolate BR, behind the scenes they are being more cordial and accommodating to the family that trusted them with their son and his wellbeing.

Maybe that’s true technically? Again, polically speaking BN could have given it to one player to give to BR and then what he says is true. I’m just speculating, no insider knowledge. doesnt make it right, just saying that I think the AD is likely choosing his words VERY carefully in his statement. He probably sought legal advice before making it.

It’s the rules so I guess they all have to play by them, but not making a distinction between different substances is just laziness by the NCAA. Not a bit surprising I suppose.

I think it’s more likely they are playing the political speech game, which I hate, but technically what the AD said is true. BN isn’t a coach or on staff at NDSU. I’m not defending that language, but legally that technically protects the University, which is the AD’s job.

I’m not saying that the kid shouldn’t be assessed the appropriate penalty here. I’m only responding to those who are making a weak attempt to make the logic jump between BR testing positive for a stimulant and NDSU players in the past being on steroids.

I agree completely, in the eyes of the NCAA there isn’t a distinction. But in the eyes of the NCAA, they don’t make a distinction between Adderall and Heroin either. One is used by over 50% of high school and college students with the permission of their parents in many cases and the other is one of the most devastating drugs to hit the streets. I think it’s prudent among intelligent people to make distinctions that go slightly further than the NCAA’s black and white rules when we look at individual cases.

I feel like I’m crawling through the *{%}€ right now in my convo with Sikatoka.

Dude... You realize I was responding directly to people stating that players in NDSU’s history performed in a way that suggests they were taking steroids?

Legally, it does.

I’m cool with being Andy in this scenario. We know who ended up on the winning end of that.

I’m gonna move on, others are understanding the distinction I’m making, but you’re being intentionally obtuse.

That’s where we agree, this shouldn’t be happening due to the level of liability it carries with it. Every institution has the policy that “we don’t give our student athletes any supplements”. This “coach” seems to have acted contrary to that policy and should be investigated for said actions. If I’m BR and his mom, BN has a law suit on his desk by the weekend.

I respect you as a poster, you are always level headed. But you’re out of your wheelhouse on this topic. Because of the way the NCAA handles illegality(very vague purposely on what’s illegal) combined with the complete lack of regulation on the supplement industry by the FDA, the only truly safe way to go through college is to take no supplements at all. Players get popped for this every single day in the NCAA because supplement companies have lack of uniformity to their formulations from batch to batch. He took it, he’s responsible for it. Period. I’d be surprised if his intent was to cheat, especially given his reaction. The fact that he was lead to believe it was safe, implicity or explicitly is something I’d like to see addressed. If it was BN then I don’t want him around the team ever again. But, NCAA student athletes are specifically educated on this exact scenario at the beginning of each season and it’s unfortunate, but that’s his responsibility.

That’s the world of supplements man, no regulation on the contents so you can’t trust labels. You never know what you’re going to get and as an NCAA student/athlete you are educated every single year to know that every single time you put an exogenous substance in your body, you open yourself up to the consequences of that decision. Many of the preworkouts sitting on the shelves in your local GNC may have slightly too much of whatever substance the NCAA tests for in one batch vs another. Whereas another brand might have the exact same substance, but at a slightly lower concentration and it’s technically legal.

That isn’t my point at all. I agree completely that to the NCAA they are both against the rules. But to a player’s performance, anabolic agents are a completely different level of advantage than a preworkout supplement. They are also a completely different level of intention to gain an advantage. That’s my point when I say how prevalent stimulants are vs anabolic agents(steroids, hgh and the like) One you see every single day at the local YMCA or anytime fitness and can purchase through an seemingly inifinite amount of retail stores and online(I took one before my workout this morning)and the other you have to in most cases deal with some unsavory people to acquire or have a prescription theough a medical professional. As I said, completely different universes.

I agree.

Read my entire post. Nuance sir, as usual it’s lost on many here.