Bison06

What does any of the above have to do with the fact that you specifically stated that a player wouldn’t get a year suspension for caffiene and then I posted a direct quote from the ncaa website that says that in fact you can and do get suspended for a year for caffiene?

A student-athlete who tests positive for a substance in a banned drug class other than “street drugs” is charged with the loss of one season of competition in all sports in addition to the use of a season, pursuant to Division I Bylaw 12.8.3.1 or Division II/III Bylaw 14.2.4.1, Which part of this is ambiguous? Caffiene is in the banned drug class of stimulant. This sentence refers directly to those drug classes. What am I missing?

You can read my statement however you like I suppose, but I think we both know that’s not what I was saying.

http://www.ncaa.org/compliance/reinstatement/reinstatement-involving-testing-positive-ncaa-banned-substance-ncaa-bylaw-184151-and-184152 This language indicates you’re wrong. The NCAA makes no distinction and all positive tests result in a one year ban.

Where on the ncaa site do you see a distinction between different stimulants and how long the suspension is? Everything I’ve seen just lumps them all under the category of “stimulants”.

It sounds like in this particular case it won’t end up being caffeine, but you’re wrong about caffeine not being on the NCAA list of banned stimulants.

It has nothing to do with me being a former player. This is a possible legal situation and NDSU is taking the advice of lawyers at this point likely. What would your advice be to NDSU if you were there legal counsel?

So basically you are asking a University to willingly incriminate itself, embroiling itself in a possible lawsuit because it’s the right thing to do? No business or University on the planet would do that.

This is the part of the narrative on this board that isn’t connecting with me. That they can step in and somehow “save” him from the consequences being handed down from the NCAA. Regardless of what they come out and say, he’s done with his NCAA career. People keep saying “throw him under the bus”, but nothing the AD said in his statement, or could possibly say in any future comment can do anything to help BR at this point.

https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/bylawView?id=31626#result If the facts that have come out so far prove true, some law mind may be able to decipher the language better, but it appears it would be a level III violation at worst, which is the lowest level possible.

Are we even thinking this will result in an NCAA investigation? Not saying they should or they shouldn’t because I don’t know the legal triggers for such an investigation, but this doesn’t seem like the type of thing the NCAA is going to look into further. I could be way off on that, but one player getting suspended probably doesn’t throw up a red flag. Yes, the source of it is important to note, but unless they can show it was anything more than what’s come out so far, what exactly would they hope to find?

See now that has some logic to it, replace state with another “s” word.

I’ve been reading you type this for days and it’s bugged me so I have to say something now. Wouldn’t NDSjUice make more sense? Utilize the U that’s already there vs adding an additional U?

Thanks for sharing the details you have.

An NCAA banned substance that was not on the label of the supplement?

Ahh, gotcha. Not sure who brought him in.

Not sure, but it is possible that is the case.

BN is the snake oil salesman I referenced.

Is this a trick question? Yes athletes take “preworkouts” before games, during games, at half time of games, on the sideline during games, before going out for a night, before going to class, just sitting around watching tv if you feel like catching a quick buzz. They are taken all of the time.

It’s also possible you’re taking the term “preworkout” too literally. Many people drink them throughout their workout or throughout the game.

Can I ask why? It’s on the list just like the rest of them and in every single preworkout supplement on the market. If BR is to be taken at his word about what he took, caffeine is head and shoulders above other stimulants as the most likely cause.

Caffeine is an ingredient in the supplement we are talking about and also on the list of banned stimulants. It very well could be the ingredient that caused the positive test. What am I missing in your logic?

Caffeine is literally on the list of banned stimulants and is in the supplement he allegedly took. What’s the mystery? Not saying it’s case closed, but it’s certainly a possibility.

http://www.ncaa.org/2018-19-ncaa-banned-drugs-list scroll about half way down the page and read bullet points 1-3.

Caffeine in high doses can be a failed test. Maybe he took a lot of it? 250 mg per dose is pretty standard for a preworkout, but if you took a larger dose maybe that triggers a positive stimulant test in the NCAA’s eyes. I don’t know enough about their testing.