Bison06

Thanks for sharing the details you have.

An NCAA banned substance that was not on the label of the supplement?

Ahh, gotcha. Not sure who brought him in.

Not sure, but it is possible that is the case.

BN is the snake oil salesman I referenced.

Is this a trick question? Yes athletes take “preworkouts” before games, during games, at half time of games, on the sideline during games, before going out for a night, before going to class, just sitting around watching tv if you feel like catching a quick buzz. They are taken all of the time.

It’s also possible you’re taking the term “preworkout” too literally. Many people drink them throughout their workout or throughout the game.

Can I ask why? It’s on the list just like the rest of them and in every single preworkout supplement on the market. If BR is to be taken at his word about what he took, caffeine is head and shoulders above other stimulants as the most likely cause.

Caffeine is an ingredient in the supplement we are talking about and also on the list of banned stimulants. It very well could be the ingredient that caused the positive test. What am I missing in your logic?

Caffeine is literally on the list of banned stimulants and is in the supplement he allegedly took. What’s the mystery? Not saying it’s case closed, but it’s certainly a possibility.

http://www.ncaa.org/2018-19-ncaa-banned-drugs-list scroll about half way down the page and read bullet points 1-3.

Caffeine in high doses can be a failed test. Maybe he took a lot of it? 250 mg per dose is pretty standard for a preworkout, but if you took a larger dose maybe that triggers a positive stimulant test in the NCAA’s eyes. I don’t know enough about their testing.

You literally quoted me, I’ve said that since the beginning. It is an extremely well known fact that supplement industries are notorious for putting things in their supplements that aren’t explicitly stated on the label or in different quantities than are on the label. It’s the Wild West and players are well educated on this fact through the compliance department at every NCAA institution. I blame BN if all the details that are coming out for bringing any supplement into a college lockeroom because he would know the supplement industry is notorious for this. But, some of the blame has to be on the player who should know he was playing with fire by putting anything in his body. Though, if I was in his shoes and had a close relationship with a guy like BN, I could see not thinking twice about taking it. I really do feel bad for BR and hope this isn’t the end of his football story.

Again, do some reading on the supplement industry and it’s labeling standards and then you’ll be able to bring an valuable contribution to this discussion.

The suspended player didn’t have a script and was given the drugs from someone who did. In the eyes of the FBI and the DEA giving someone a controlled substance they don’t have a prescription for and speculation....paying them for the meds is dealing drugs and depending on the scale of it all would lead to charges being filed.

Your complete lack of understanding of how the supplement industry is run is becoming apparent.

I immediately noticed the irony of the name too. Hilarious actually if it turns out that is the product.

Or I just appreciate a good discussion. The world doesn’t have the corner bar or the barbershop to discuss meaningless things anymore so people do it in online forums.

So if it comes out in a couple days that he in fact took “clear victory”? What will you say, lucky guess?

I’m easily fooled because I know who the people behind a couple of usernames are on a forum and know their connection to the program? Got it.

You’ve derailed man. Bisonville isn’t the source I hold credible, it’s a few specific posters who are more connected with the program than I could ever hope to be. They don’t post without the facts.

Now who’s having trouble with reading comprehension? Others who are in the know are saying the same thing on Bisonville. Anybody else who would know saying the same thing as you?

Fact?

You guys realize that many people who are very close to the program, who post on Bisonville are also saying the supplement was “clear victory”. I know who many of the posters are on Bisonville and a few of them that are saying it’s “clear victory” wouldn’t be putting out publicly if it wasn’t absolutely true. So I think we’re past the point of speculating what supplement BR took.

That’s not the point in this context. We’ve been wondering for days what BR took and nobody knows. Then somebody comes out at says I know for a fact it was “clean victory”, why would your initial reaction be to call BS on it. I’m not saying his statement is fact, but I don’t have a reason not to believe him either so why assume he’s making it up?