Bison06

Paid by who? Do we know?

Agree, he needs to have some questions thrown his way. This is what it’s like for student athletes consistently though, they get the short end of most things in college it seems. Coaches can leave whenever they want, players are tied to the school with penalties for leaving. Coaches can do whatever they want to monetize themselves, players in most cases cannot.

Is the fact that I’m right handed relevant to my age? Is the fact that I own an iPhone relevant to my blood type? Details are irrelevant all of the time.

This is my point, that I’m clearly doing a poor job of articulating. In his mind, it was likely “just another preworkout”. I’ve been taking these things since I was a kid before workouts, just like everybody else I know who is serious about their fitness. It was crummy luck, in addition to poor judgement on his part and on the part of BN, that this particular preworkout had a substance in it that is considered illegal by the NCAA. I don’t know the product he took, but because I know supplements very well, I can tell you there are dozens of supplements on the shelf in GNC and your local grocery store that have ncaa banned substances in them.

Solid contribution

So if only one player tests positive for a substance, it’s ridiculous to think the entire team has a substance problem?

No, I’m saying that a lot of preworkouts contain stimulants and might not put exactly how much of it is in there so you’d have no way of knowing. They may even label it, “proprietary blend”. So if an athlete is taking any preworkouts, which I would be willing to bet my entire bank account that there are players on UND’s roster doing it, they are playing with fire.

I would say the causation might be driven in the opposite direction you are thinking. They are great teams, great programs and won a hell of a lot of football games before this clown came into the picture, they then decided to hire the same motivational speaker and he now has some questions to answer in my book.

What if that banned substance was at a low enough concentration that it wouldn’t show up in urine samples?

Which makes it a much worse sin since whatever BR took isn’t a controlled substance by the FDA and DEA.

Maybe I’m somewhat immune to the significance of all of this because I know how prevalent preworkout use is among athletes. In my view, it’s very likely the only sin here, which shouldn’t go un punished if true, is the supplement wasn’t properly vetted and shouldn’t have been given to the player. Question for you, if you knew that the entire UND football team took a preworkout that on the label had the exact formulation as the one BR took whatbwould you think? Hypothetically?

Different because it’s your ox being gored. The details are irrelevant to the discussion because the other poster is saying the entire team has a stimulant issue because of one positive test.

How many UND players is it fair for me to rightfully accuse of taking Adderall when only the one kid tested positive a few years back. “I think the whole UND athletic department has an Adderall issue, it’s been rampant for years, they’re lucky only one player was caught” How ridiculous does that sound?

Smh

It’s disengenous to state opinions as facts.

I don’t know BN nor do I care if he goes down in this deal if that’s the outcome. But, I think it’s important to note that it’s very possible and likely that this wasn’t done intentionally. Either way it’s extremely irresponsible on his part if true, but it’s possible he isn’t exactly the devil either. As we’ve discussed extensively, the supplement industry is the Wild West. If I was in his position, I would never take on the liability associated with giving a player anything at all.

I agree, but would take away the word intentional as they also make no distinction there.

I would agree, the word reimbursed was chosen very carefully I would wager. As was the rest of his statement.

You’re the only one who specifically framed it that way. Others are having a much more robust conversation surrounding the topic.

I’m not a lawyer. Someone else might be able to speak to the technicalities of who would be liable if indeed BN did supply the supplement.

Agreed, definitely not a good look and I would hope that even if legally NDSU has to isolate BR, behind the scenes they are being more cordial and accommodating to the family that trusted them with their son and his wellbeing.

Maybe that’s true technically? Again, polically speaking BN could have given it to one player to give to BR and then what he says is true. I’m just speculating, no insider knowledge. doesnt make it right, just saying that I think the AD is likely choosing his words VERY carefully in his statement. He probably sought legal advice before making it.

It’s the rules so I guess they all have to play by them, but not making a distinction between different substances is just laziness by the NCAA. Not a bit surprising I suppose.

I think it’s more likely they are playing the political speech game, which I hate, but technically what the AD said is true. BN isn’t a coach or on staff at NDSU. I’m not defending that language, but legally that technically protects the University, which is the AD’s job.

I’m not saying that the kid shouldn’t be assessed the appropriate penalty here. I’m only responding to those who are making a weak attempt to make the logic jump between BR testing positive for a stimulant and NDSU players in the past being on steroids.