Bison06

He didn’t have a prescription, so he either got it from another player who did or another university student. Either way, calling for sanctions is laughable.

I’m assuming that you called for sanctions for UND when your guy got popped for Adderall then too right?

Given JMU had players suspended for the same reason following our game with them, maybe the question should be how their dealer got better stuff than ours.

Damn it, I even debated putting in whom too.

Fair enough. Do you feel the James Madison national championship is tainted because they had players suspended for a positive test following the semifinal game with NDSU?

So with the information you have, you think NDSU cheated their way to 7 out of 8 national championships?

Ok, I’m not doubting you, I just like to read things first hand. Was in it an article or what’s your source if you don’t mind?

Where did you read this? I’ve been looking.

Truth in many cases is a matter of perspective. Light is a particle, no, light is a photon. Both are true, depends on how it’s being observed. The absolute truth is out there somewhere, but her statement isn’t the end all be all of facts in this case if you look at her involvement.

Suspicious, sure, me too. Jumping to crazy conclusions based on your own personal bias and no facts? I don’t see that as logical.

She’s a third party that has no real knowledge of the locker room. Not calling her a liar, but any knowledge she has was given to her second hand by BR who could have said what I’m trying to tell all of you about preworkout supplements. “Everybody uses them”

Nope, they specifically keep it vague. We were told dozens of times that the only way to be certain you pass any test is to take absolutely no supplements. Something as simple as a protein shake can have banned substances in it without being on the label.

How so? Seems like exactly the same to me?

Paid by who? Do we know?

Agree, he needs to have some questions thrown his way. This is what it’s like for student athletes consistently though, they get the short end of most things in college it seems. Coaches can leave whenever they want, players are tied to the school with penalties for leaving. Coaches can do whatever they want to monetize themselves, players in most cases cannot.

Is the fact that I’m right handed relevant to my age? Is the fact that I own an iPhone relevant to my blood type? Details are irrelevant all of the time.

This is my point, that I’m clearly doing a poor job of articulating. In his mind, it was likely “just another preworkout”. I’ve been taking these things since I was a kid before workouts, just like everybody else I know who is serious about their fitness. It was crummy luck, in addition to poor judgement on his part and on the part of BN, that this particular preworkout had a substance in it that is considered illegal by the NCAA. I don’t know the product he took, but because I know supplements very well, I can tell you there are dozens of supplements on the shelf in GNC and your local grocery store that have ncaa banned substances in them.

Solid contribution

So if only one player tests positive for a substance, it’s ridiculous to think the entire team has a substance problem?

No, I’m saying that a lot of preworkouts contain stimulants and might not put exactly how much of it is in there so you’d have no way of knowing. They may even label it, “proprietary blend”. So if an athlete is taking any preworkouts, which I would be willing to bet my entire bank account that there are players on UND’s roster doing it, they are playing with fire.

I would say the causation might be driven in the opposite direction you are thinking. They are great teams, great programs and won a hell of a lot of football games before this clown came into the picture, they then decided to hire the same motivational speaker and he now has some questions to answer in my book.

What if that banned substance was at a low enough concentration that it wouldn’t show up in urine samples?

Which makes it a much worse sin since whatever BR took isn’t a controlled substance by the FDA and DEA.

Maybe I’m somewhat immune to the significance of all of this because I know how prevalent preworkout use is among athletes. In my view, it’s very likely the only sin here, which shouldn’t go un punished if true, is the supplement wasn’t properly vetted and shouldn’t have been given to the player. Question for you, if you knew that the entire UND football team took a preworkout that on the label had the exact formulation as the one BR took whatbwould you think? Hypothetically?

Different because it’s your ox being gored. The details are irrelevant to the discussion because the other poster is saying the entire team has a stimulant issue because of one positive test.