Bison06

Agreed. How do the testing standards compare at the combine vs a pro day? Identical you’d think right?

When you watch the combine, they’ll often give some context as to what they are expecting from each athlete based on previous performances. “This guy has been as clocked as fast as 4.4 in the past” or “he has jumped x inches and we expect him to be our best jumper today” It just seems rare that a player has their best times/jumps at the combine. you disagree?

It seems to be a trend from year to year that relatively unknown guys will run and jump at a pro-day and in comparison to the guys at the combine will out perform in many categories. Is there a standard at the combine that makes the times trend upward? Is there more pressure on kids while at the combine so they underperform? It just seems to me, people usually don’t run and jump their career best at the combine from year to year.

Do you have specific knowledge of instances that have gone unreported? Hard to search if you don’t have a name.

Has there? I honestly don’t know. And if NDSU has kept them quiet as you say and the forum hasn’t reported them, how do you have knowledge of them?

If they were underage inside of a bar, that’s a bit different than just your run of the mill MIP. Fake ID’s etc. Either way, in my book, it’s a non story. If true, there will be a small suspension and everyone will learn their lesson.

I’m not lawyer, but what about this poster’s statement gets anywhere in the viscinity of slander or libel? A very vague statement that doesn’t name any specific people?

I don’t follow NDSU to the extreme extent I did 10 years ago, so I’m not aware of when guys get MIP’s anymore. I couldn’t tell you if they are being reported or not in recent years, but as recently as 2012 and 2013 a google search brings up MIP’s being reported in the forum. i agree with you that they are not really a big deal, college kids drink, no surprise there.

Bad comparison if you’re seeing this as a reason to call out a bias in reporting. Alcohol charges are always reported on with specifics. Since it is an actual crime it will be public record and every single detail will be in that public record. Same thing happens when NDSU guys get picked up for drinking. What has happened at NDSU in recent weeks isn’t illegal by our justice system’s standards and is just an ncaa violation. It isn’t part of the public record so details are much more difficult to come by.

I’m just giving you grief for a spelling error. Teflon vs teflan. Flan is a damn good Spanish dessert.

Teflan...what does NDSU have to do with Spanish desserts?

What does any of the above have to do with the fact that you specifically stated that a player wouldn’t get a year suspension for caffiene and then I posted a direct quote from the ncaa website that says that in fact you can and do get suspended for a year for caffiene?

A student-athlete who tests positive for a substance in a banned drug class other than “street drugs” is charged with the loss of one season of competition in all sports in addition to the use of a season, pursuant to Division I Bylaw 12.8.3.1 or Division II/III Bylaw 14.2.4.1, Which part of this is ambiguous? Caffiene is in the banned drug class of stimulant. This sentence refers directly to those drug classes. What am I missing?

You can read my statement however you like I suppose, but I think we both know that’s not what I was saying.

http://www.ncaa.org/compliance/reinstatement/reinstatement-involving-testing-positive-ncaa-banned-substance-ncaa-bylaw-184151-and-184152 This language indicates you’re wrong. The NCAA makes no distinction and all positive tests result in a one year ban.

Where on the ncaa site do you see a distinction between different stimulants and how long the suspension is? Everything I’ve seen just lumps them all under the category of “stimulants”.

It sounds like in this particular case it won’t end up being caffeine, but you’re wrong about caffeine not being on the NCAA list of banned stimulants.

It has nothing to do with me being a former player. This is a possible legal situation and NDSU is taking the advice of lawyers at this point likely. What would your advice be to NDSU if you were there legal counsel?

So basically you are asking a University to willingly incriminate itself, embroiling itself in a possible lawsuit because it’s the right thing to do? No business or University on the planet would do that.

This is the part of the narrative on this board that isn’t connecting with me. That they can step in and somehow “save” him from the consequences being handed down from the NCAA. Regardless of what they come out and say, he’s done with his NCAA career. People keep saying “throw him under the bus”, but nothing the AD said in his statement, or could possibly say in any future comment can do anything to help BR at this point.

https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/bylawView?id=31626#result If the facts that have come out so far prove true, some law mind may be able to decipher the language better, but it appears it would be a level III violation at worst, which is the lowest level possible.

Are we even thinking this will result in an NCAA investigation? Not saying they should or they shouldn’t because I don’t know the legal triggers for such an investigation, but this doesn’t seem like the type of thing the NCAA is going to look into further. I could be way off on that, but one player getting suspended probably doesn’t throw up a red flag. Yes, the source of it is important to note, but unless they can show it was anything more than what’s come out so far, what exactly would they hope to find?

See now that has some logic to it, replace state with another “s” word.

I’ve been reading you type this for days and it’s bugged me so I have to say something now. Wouldn’t NDSjUice make more sense? Utilize the U that’s already there vs adding an additional U?