Bison06

You know how many guys have surgery the week and month following the season? The standard for playing in the nfl many times isn’t are you injured. It’s are you better at whatever percentage you are at than the backup and will you make it significantly worse by playing

You and I clearly live in different realities as it pertains to football injuries.

You may be right, I haven’t read that. Though a stress fracture seems unlikely to go that long undiagnosed. Something must have happened to make it symptomatic more recently.

Trainers work for the team, not the players. Many players have filed grievances with the league over these situations. Just because the trainers and doctors say you can play, doesn’t make it true. He’s clearly been hurt all year if you’ve been watching.

Injuries count for every team and affect every team. I’ve never said different.

Are we taking into account that the man had a broken back for much of this season and is/was less than a year away from reconstructive knee surgery? When healthy last year Wentz was an MVP candidate. Maybe he’ll be banged up his whole career and that’ll be the book on him. But I’m not sure how someone can argue that he isn’t a great QB when he’s healthy.

You make good points. His opportunities to prove himself so far have been hampered by unfortunate injuries. Hopefully that won’t be the story of his career.

I was very impressed with EWU, more than I expected to be. Some of those early penalties really hurt them, hard to know if those big plays happen without the penalties being committed sometimes, but without the penalties they had the NDSU defense on its heels. Not an easy feat.

Sitting in my home as I type. The internet is so magical.

What’s your definition of a troll?

I guess time will tell, you may very well be correct. Out of curiosity, did you predict the same in 2013?

I don’t disagree that to win a championship often some things have to fall your way, but NDSU hasn’t exactly been immune from the types of challenges other teams have faced, I would argue they have just handled them better. Winning championships in two separate seasons where the head coach and much of the staff are working for two universities’ interests is a pretty unique challenge to overcome. The Klieman transition seemed to go infinitely smoother than the Bohl transition.

You may be right on the reason he was out. I was just trying to understand your meaning behind saying “you can’t make it up”.

Do you say this to mean that EWU was at some sort of disadvantage due to this injury?

http://www.ncaa.org/2018-19-ncaa-banned-drugs-list As far as I’ve heard, all we know is he used a banned stimulant without permission. Lots of these listed are used by the majority of college kids these days as study aids and are perfectly legal to the ncaa with the proper paperwork from my understanding. As far as we know, his only crime may be not getting the proper paperwork filed. Obviously, it could also be a more serious situation too, but who knows.

As much as SDSU has challenged NDSU in recent years, it hasn’t risen to the level of excitement that UND week used to in the media and around the campuses(unless things have dramatically changed in recent years, which is entirely possible. I haven’t lived in Fargo for many years.) I can’t speak for any other Bison fans, but I have always and will always consider UND to be NDSU’s primary rival. Mostly because it starts so much earlier for North Dakota kids. When I was in high school there would be kids arguing between the two programs about which was better and it really ramped up the week of the game. I can’t say for sure, but I highly doubt two kids walking the halls of any ND high school are arguing over NDSU vs SDSU. The “civil war” mentality will always be there with UND and NDSU for North Dakota kids.

I’m not saying your wrong, teams rise and fall every year. But NDSU lost a longer tenured head coach in Bohl and a longer tenured OC in Vigen after the 2013 year and didn’t skip a beat. All while having to replace, who at the time, was the winningest quarterback in the history of FCS/IAA football. Given that stick would break that record with a win next weekend, it’s reallt uncanny how similar the situations will be for NDSU. Impossible to predict how it will play out with the new staff, just stating that NDSU survived the last major shakeup they went through and it’s just as likely that they roll through this one as it is the program takes a major step back.

I would say no, but what is also interesting as I looked into it is it’s extremely rare that a team that is truly an FCS/I-aa power moves up to FBS. In looking through it there only appears to be 4 in this history of FCS/I-aa. Marshall, Boise, Georgia southern and App state. The rest of the move ups have had very short lived success or not much at all. You could maybe add UMASS and Western Kentucky to the list, but I don’t think their success was long sustained in FCS.

I actually wondered about that too. It certainly would change things in my brain if I was an 18 year old recruit. It’s also the reason that, as a fan, I would only want NDSU to move up to FBS if they were in a P5 conference. Which is highly unlikely/never going to happen.

Those are both good examples that I would agree bolster your argument that a top FCS team would struggle. Interestingly, it seems that both App State and Georgia Southern did better initially following the transition up than they have the longer they’ve been in FBS. So it seems somehow the increased scholarships and more time in FBS have actually been a detriment to their success. Odd. I wonder if somehow they were actually more able to recruit better players at the top of FCS than they are at the bottom of FBS. Who knows, but it is interesting.

Hold on... He brought up App State(one team, not many, and if they aren’t struggling in FBS)as some sort of coup that proved FCS powers couldn’t compete in P5, since they aren’t in a P5 conference, I asked him why he chose them vs Boise state. Boise state is equivalent to App state and neither of them are P5. As you agreed there are no examples of P5 teams that were once FCS powers so we are left to the realm of speculation, which is what we are all doing in this discussion. All that said, we could arguing nuances of this hypothetical situation all day, but I’m more interested in your take on both the OP’s original point that NDSU would go 8-5 in the SEC, which I wholeheartedly disagree with and also what you think about the idea that a top FCS team could go .500 in the SEC? So what do you think?

He brought up App state, also not P5. There are no examples of recent FCS powers who are now in P5 conferences so the discussion is left to discuss recent FCS move ups to FBS.

That’s sort of my point, what handicaps are we giving the FCS team in this impossible to know one way or another hypothetical?

The Bama game would be projected as a loss to say the least

I absolutely agree with your original premise. The current NDSU team playing an SEC schedule would beat maybe two of those teams. But give NDSU more scholarships, having half of those games at home and the cache of being able to tout themselves as an SEC team to potential recruits and I think a top FCS team could go .500 in the SEC most years.