Bison06

A distinction without a difference in this case.

That’s a pretty fantastic accusation with zero evidence to support it. Comes across as sour grapes from fans of a rival program hoping and praying they’ll wake up from this bad dream and NDSU’s last 10 years didn’t exist.

I’ve been part of it too. You’re talking about the internal testing. I’m talking about the ncaa tests that occur in the playoffs. There’s no way around those.

http://www.ncaa.org/sport-science-institute/topics/frequently-asked-questions-about-drug-testing NDSU doesn’t get to choose who gets tested. A roster is sent to Drug Free Sport and they randomly select the participants. This is the same program that UND and all other ncaa institutions use FYI. https://www.drugfreesport.com/

The lack of evidence is proof of the crime. Flawless logic.

It hasn’t. Nobody outside of this forum has talked about this since January.

Amazing that only one player would test positive all year with such widespread use and consistent testing.

You mean the national championship that BR didn’t play in?

If you’ve been reading along, illegal vs banned are the terms southpaw is drawing all his conclusions from. So...southpaw gives a sh*t evidently. I simply see it as a kid and his mom using the wrong term since the word illegal means nothing to the ncaa in this context.

So if you believe every word he says, tell me which supplements are illegal by ncaa standards. The term illegal does not exist in the ncaa vernacular.

I’m not sure why you’re so adamant about the verbiage that BR and his mother used. Nothing is “illegal” by the ncaa, they aren’t police or a court. The NCAA has a banned substance list. Some things on that list are zero tolerance, others are dependent on the quantity found in the blood. None are “illegal” by the NCAA as they aren’t in the legal vs illegal business. Since there have been no criminal charges against BR, I think it’s fair to draw the conclusion that he simply used the word illegal when he meant banned. Neither he nor his mother are attorneys who would be choosing their words much more carefully. And before you accuse me, I’m not calling BR or his mother a liar. I’m simply stating, given the circumstances, they likely used the word illegal, when the correct word would have been banned.

Is that true for all of the timed tests or just the 40?

https://www.sporttechie.com/nfl-draftees-running-faster-40s-pro-day-nfl-combine/ Can't vouch for the source, but thought this was an interesting article that adds to the discussion.

Agreed. How do the testing standards compare at the combine vs a pro day? Identical you’d think right?

When you watch the combine, they’ll often give some context as to what they are expecting from each athlete based on previous performances. “This guy has been as clocked as fast as 4.4 in the past” or “he has jumped x inches and we expect him to be our best jumper today” It just seems rare that a player has their best times/jumps at the combine. you disagree?

It seems to be a trend from year to year that relatively unknown guys will run and jump at a pro-day and in comparison to the guys at the combine will out perform in many categories. Is there a standard at the combine that makes the times trend upward? Is there more pressure on kids while at the combine so they underperform? It just seems to me, people usually don’t run and jump their career best at the combine from year to year.

Do you have specific knowledge of instances that have gone unreported? Hard to search if you don’t have a name.

Has there? I honestly don’t know. And if NDSU has kept them quiet as you say and the forum hasn’t reported them, how do you have knowledge of them?

If they were underage inside of a bar, that’s a bit different than just your run of the mill MIP. Fake ID’s etc. Either way, in my book, it’s a non story. If true, there will be a small suspension and everyone will learn their lesson.

I’m not lawyer, but what about this poster’s statement gets anywhere in the viscinity of slander or libel? A very vague statement that doesn’t name any specific people?

I don’t follow NDSU to the extreme extent I did 10 years ago, so I’m not aware of when guys get MIP’s anymore. I couldn’t tell you if they are being reported or not in recent years, but as recently as 2012 and 2013 a google search brings up MIP’s being reported in the forum. i agree with you that they are not really a big deal, college kids drink, no surprise there.

Bad comparison if you’re seeing this as a reason to call out a bias in reporting. Alcohol charges are always reported on with specifics. Since it is an actual crime it will be public record and every single detail will be in that public record. Same thing happens when NDSU guys get picked up for drinking. What has happened at NDSU in recent weeks isn’t illegal by our justice system’s standards and is just an ncaa violation. It isn’t part of the public record so details are much more difficult to come by.

I’m just giving you grief for a spelling error. Teflon vs teflan. Flan is a damn good Spanish dessert.

Teflan...what does NDSU have to do with Spanish desserts?