Bison06

Stop bringing us into it with “juicers” comments and Juice U and I’d be happy to stay away.

I asked it because I’m tired of weak predictions. Of course UND will beat NDSU again, they play every year moving forward. Many posters on this board have been predicting NDSU’s downfall And UND rising for the past 7 years. I have been opposed to that idea because there was no logical reason to predict it and was met with “ndsu elitist” and you’re “arrogant”. UND’s only chance at getting back to the powerhouse they once were is to hire COMPLETELY new blood. Trying to recreate the glory years of late 90’s/early 2000’s is the problem. It seems some people are coming around to that idea on here.

I can understand that being honest about your answer would be frightening, but that doesn’t make it a dumb question.

That doesn’t even make sense, since I actually did understand the reference.

Don’t cop out with that BS, what’s your answer?

True. So maybe worded differently, when is the next time UND will go into a game with NDSU and their odds of winning will be better than a “punchers chance”

You’d think even with a UND education you could pick up on that reference.

I agree with you, with Bubba as coach it will likely never happen. If that’s true, a timeline for a UND victory becomes pretty long. Bubba in 2020 maybe 2021. Assuming the UND administration actually does move on from Bubba, you’ve got a brand new staff in 2022 and a rebuild begins. Now that can happen pretty quickly with the right hire, but given UNDs coaching hire history, it is unlikely in my mind that that coaching hire will be a homerun. So 2022, 2023 to get the new guys recruits in and 2024 before they possibly field a contender?

I keep hearing this from UND fans. Vague predictions that can never be confirmed since there is no real prediction, “sooner rather than later” means nothing. So what’s it gonna be, when will UND beat NDSU now that they play every year?

He opened for Louis Black, it was a great night of comedy. Hedberg had so many great ones, but I still think his Pringles bit is probably my favorite. Love his Donut joke though too. Man he was great.

Congrats on the playoff berth, I sincerely feel it was deserved. Had the chance to play at Nicholls back in the day and can say without a doubt it was my worst memories of an opposing fan base of anywhere we played. Their fans were brutal with their language toward our team and we felt very threatened and unsafe on our sideline. Hopefully times have changed and you all have a great experience, get the win and we all get to enjoy bonus NDSU/UND football this year.

Saw him in Minneapolis circa 02/03, my favorite of all time.

I agree completely with your premise, but even if it would have been a home and home, the outcome would have likely been the same.

I agree, you don't always feel bad for those last four out. But the resumes of the last four in and the last four out many times are interchangeable, so it feels arbitrary which team found its way in at times. The Idaho State loss this year and in '15 were awful, no doubt, but the 2015 year I think UND fans have some legitimate gripes about being left out when resumes are compared with others.

Dude, we lost to USD one of our championship years and Indiana State another I believe. Teams sometimes lose games they aren't supposed to. Actually, the fact that UND inexplicably lost to an inferior team only further speaks to how a team might be able to play above their level and make a run in the playoffs.

I hear this a lot as it pertains to playoffs, if you don't have a legitimate chance at the championship we don't want you in the playoffs. FBS arguments against expansion come to mind. I don't believe that determining a champion is the only function a playoff system has. I think it also exists for other reasons which include: Rewarding student athletes/schools with additional games and revenue for a season worthy of such. Seeing inter-conference play to determine with large data sets which conferences and teams are the best. To use FBS examples, as a fan, I would love to see how a third place Big10 team(making the tourney as a 16 seed for example) matches up with a potentially over ranked ACC team(that garnered the #1 seed). That helps me as years go by determine which conferences are truly the best. Seeing certain FCS conferences' champions go undefeated in the regular season and then get destroyed in the playoffs has helped us pump the breaks on how good an 11-0 University of San Diego team might be entering the FCS playoffs. And finally, the "any given saturday" effect. The reason the March Madness tourney is so captivating is the opportunity to see David slay Goliath. As sports fans we love this. I like the playoffs, not just to determine the champion, but for the excitement along the way. Just because a team has "no chance" to win it all, doesn't mean they should be excluded. Because, when you step on that field, anything can happen in a single game. And that's why you have to play the game.

It’s hard to have a discussion with multiple people at the same time, my apologies if I attributed a quote to you that wasn’t yours. I can’t keep going round and round with you, clearly the committee thought WIU had a better resume than UND, as other have said, and I’ve agreed, the Idaho state loss was likely the death blow. Just as it may be this year along with deciding to only play 11 games.

I agree, but is that unfair? You can bet your a$$, that if ndsu goes 7-4 next year they’re getting the benefit of the doubt. UND isn’t alone in their lack of equity with the playoff committee. That’s all I’m saying. It isn’t personal like some here seem to think.

What’s true? That there is some sort of conscious vendetta against UND? Patently false. Or that UND has a history of underperforming in big games(not my opinion or trash talk, many here would agree) and will rarely be on the positive end of the benefit of a doubt? This is an understandable truth, that a committee has an objective reason to choose one team over another when they are forced to split hairs.

The sad part is I think some here honestly believe this somehow. UND isn’t special, the NCAA isn’t out to get you.

What? A move up in the polls after a loss? How could that be?!?!? You mean how you play against good teams matters? (Sarcasm) I completely agree with you. If polls worked the way they should UND would move up in the polls. Reality says you’ll probably drop a few spot though.

If you’ve been following along, I’ve said at least twice that I thought UND should have been in the playoffs in 2015. My ONLY contention has been that you and/or others have said you were “punished” for winning. Which is clearly asinine. An argument could be made for any bubble team to make the playoffs in 2015 or any other year. For some reason, which I disagree with, western Illinois made it over UND in 2015. I don’t agree with it, but can disagree with an opinion while still understanding it. Clearly, the committee thought western Illinois deserved to get it. I’ve been making posts since yesterday trying to understand why they did so, not to justify it. You keep trying to, “get me” with some sort of argument that I’m not even disagreeing with. I only disagree with the argument that somehow you were punished for an FBS win. I disagree with that wholeheartedly and believe that the Idaho state loss was your downfall.

You can keep repeating it, but it doesn’t make it true. You got credit for beating Wyoming, it just wasn’t enough to overcome one of the worst losses in your school’s history.

Are you comparing your resume to Western Illinois? They had two top 10 wins. And you somehow think taking away your best win of the year puts you above them in the eyes of the committee? And I’m the one uninformed?