Bison06

I have no doubt it was a "noose", I'm not sure that fact is in question. The question is was it intended for Bubba and somehow sending a message to him. The evidence seems to point to the fact that it had been hanging there for at least 9 months. So either, somebody knew he would be assigned that garage or it truly is just an unfortunate coincidence.

Absolutely correct. Can’t talk to the athlete, but spoke to his best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend at 31 flavors. Also, I have to imagine, especially given how these scandals show up years later sometimes, that some coaches just say screw it and roll the dice. Somebody still has to turn them in to the NCAA for them to get in trouble. Maybe following all the rules is more of a headache than just risking getting caught tampering.

I realize it is technically against the rules, but we both know there are ways around that. Jalen Hurts didn’t enter the portal last year not knowing Oklahoma wanted him, no chance.

You’re right the more I think about it. Given his timing at NDSU he likely had very little, if any, contact with NDSU prior to the Klieman years. So really no connection to Wyoming. There must have been some discussion with teams prior to his announcement you’d think, I can’t imagine he is blindly entering the transfer portal just hoping somebody is interested. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out for him.

Those seem like logical choices. It depends on what his goals are with transferring if that’s where this ends. Given his accolades, I think transferring might actually hurt his draft stock. He shows up late, has to adapt to new living conditions, new teammates, a higher level of competition and possibly slightly different terminology even if he goes to KSU. It’s unlikely that he would have his best season. I wish him incredible success regardless of what the future holds for him, he’s an all-time great already in my book. If he is simply fulfilling his dream of playing FBS than good for him for chasing that, but if he’s getting advice that this will somehow improve his draft stock, I think it’s more likely to do the exact opposite.

As I watch the video again, I'm even more impressed with your S&C program. If you watch in the background you'll see two athletes working on the beginning phase of the best full body lift ever invented in my opinion, the Turkish Getup using the Kettlebell.

Machines have only two roles by today's standards. Rehabilitation of a specific muscle and bodybuilding and the second one his highly debatable. Functional movement has been the en vogue training style for a couple of decades and free weights and body weight movements are king when it comes to function. This kid's form is perfect in the video, excellent lift. Chest up, butt back, weight on heels. Excellent form for a freshman, he definitely was involved in a serious lifting program prior to UND.

Not sure if this anecdote necessarily bolsters either view point in this discussion, but maybe continues to show the sacrifices athletes are asked to make at times. When NDSU was transitioning to Division I in the early 2000’s home games were nearly impossible to come by for many of our sports. NDSU’s volleyball team, many of whom I was close friends with played the front end of so many future home and homes that they’d miss weeks of class at a time. I remember many of them really struggling keeping up academically in the fall of 2004 because of these abnormally long road trips. They had to take tests and complete projects on other schools campuses in many instances. Transitioning to DI wasn’t a choice they made, but it significantly affected their lives negatively so the school could make the move. I’m sure UND athletes during your transition made similar sacrifices for the betterment of the school. https://stats.gobison.com/custompages/vb/2004/TEAMSTAT.HTM This is an absolutely BRUTAL schedule. Damn it is worse than I remembered it. Only three matches at home the entire season.

Why can’t both be true? Every other student on a college campus can both pursue their dream and make money if they choose to do so, including those on full academic scholarships. I think college athletes would just like the same rules applied to them.

So captain practice, 7 on 7 without coaches present or any time on your own doesn’t count it looks like. Now the numbers are adding up.

Lol, that must be it.

So because corruption of the rules is very likely, we shouldn’t push for a more equitable set of rules for all parties involved? Imagine if our law system followed this logic. People will still break speed limits so why have them at all. Etc, etc.

Does that include strength coaches? That seems low.

Do you think adding 9900% and laughing your a$$ off somehow makes your point more valid? By saying not viable, I mean players have to move halfway across the world to participate. Truly not an option for a lot of these kids. A minor league with the top talent that isn’t playing at the pro level has never been tried outside of minor league baseball and guess what, minor league baseball is incredibly popular. If top NBA and NFL future prospects played in a league and didn’t go to college, those leagues would be very popular because the scouts and analysts would spend their time there and not in college as much.

This isn’t an issue that affects 1% as you say, in fact, I would argue in affects the “little guys” much more than the guys who will/could eventually play professionally. The athlete in partial scholarship at a DII school is affected much more by these rules. i agree with pretty well everything you’ve said about the challenges that would arise if they changed the rules, we just disagree about how bad things are now it seems.

Seems like what started as an attempt to root out unethical recruiting practices has turned into an overreach that disproportionately affects the athletes. Probably why we’ve seen so many lawsuits over this. Let’s find a middle ground that doesn’t eliminate the athletes ability to have ownership over their own face.

Europe isn’t viable for most American high schoolers. Additionally, the fact that the European pro leagues have this age thing figured out only further shows how the NCAA and NBA have colluded with this one and done rule to force college on kids. As far as how these leagues would affect the colleges. Of course I’d much of the top talent played in this proposed league, tv contracts and advertising dollars would go to these leagues too and that would hurt the NCAA.

The ideal scenario is both basketball and football having a viable alternative to the NCAA as a route to the pros. If that existed then none of this would be an issue. Of course the NCAA would lobby very hard against that as it would be a death blow for them. Having an alternative league allows all parties to get exactly what they want. Member institutions can keep their rules and players who have zero interest in pretending to be students for 2-3 years can get paid while preparing for their professional career.

So a 4th year biology student at UND can take the knowledge that UND provided and teach a summer biology camp for an appropriate wage, but a UND football player doing the equivalent with the skills and knowledge they have will result in a revocation of their scholarship and you think that’s “selfish”?

Answer this direct question: If James Johanneson wanted to put on a running back camp in Fargo over the summer for Fargo South High School using his name and making money for his personal time, what is your argument for why that is bad?

Two things: 1. Your hostility is completely unfounded, this has been a civil conversation about a very hotly debated topic in college athletics right now. 2. If it ain't broke don't fix it? It's broken, it's been broken for a long time, fixing it is an absolute necessity. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/sports/college-athletes-paid-california.html

I agree and am aware of the school's budgets. Which is why I'm not advocating for these funds to be paid from the university in the form of a stipend or salary to the players. I'm simply advocating for the players to be allowed to profit from their own likeness and name on their own if they choose to do so. To give the NCAA a pass on your second paragraph, implies that the NCAA and the pro leagues don't collaborate to create mutually beneficial rules, which happens constantly. Who does it help to have the "one and done rule" in college basketball? Well, the NBA gets to let top players develop one more year before they need to invest and they get to further vet them against a higher level of competition. The NCAA benefits from having the top talent not skip over them and go straight to the NBA. The only party it doesn't benefit in the slightest is the athlete. The NCAA and NBA have created a captive situation and are in effect forcing these athletes to go to college against their will in most cases. Risking further injury before getting paid. Of course, there would need to be proper oversight, I'm not advocating for the wild west. But say Joe Burrow had a year of eligibility left and planned to play next year. If he wanted to run the Joe Burrow QB camp for highschool kids in Baton Rouge, why shouldn't he be able to do that?

Agree 100% that it would create the above scenario and that is a problem that would need to be addressed properly through very specific rules if this is to happen. The trouble with “they were never intended to be minor leagues” is they have become de facto minor leagues with no other viable route to become a pro in many sports, football being the most obvious. The NFL gets to have a minor league without the costs and the NCAA and it’s member institutions get free labor to make literal billions. I think hockey and baseball have the best scenario for high school athletes. You want to get an education? Go through the NCAA. You want to just play your sport and try to go pro, we have the minor leagues for that. As it stands now, a high school football or basketball star is basically forced to become an NCAA student athlete if they’d like to play professionally.(basketball could go to Europe, but that pipeline has only worked for one American star that I’m aware of, Jennings) It certainly isn’t a simple solution and your points are well taken and true. Hopefully the NCAA can come to a solution that has the interests of these athletes in mind and not exclusively their own interests.

Haha, I don’t have the proper equipment to succeed there.