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I would estimate 25 people. One sign that caught my attention was "Respect Tribal Government" and another sign was "My People Are Not Logos". To the protestor's credit, they were civil, but for the most part went unnoticed by the Sioux faithful attending the game.

1) I apologize, you can leave now. 2) Yes, we all can do more, but for some it is easier if someone else does it for them. 3) NO, anti-enabling person

That sounds like a cop-out. Politics aside, MOST leaders try to do what they think is best for the "community" as a whole, but we, as a society, have become so indoctorinated in believing that it is always someone elses fault and that someone else will fix my problems. Again, how about getting back to personal accountibility and responsibility and going from there whether your white, black, red or green.

Since you are obviously leaning to left in your ideology, don't face east today or the strong south wind will blow you completely on our head! There is no pointing of the finger, just wanting the same enthusiasm and zeal from those, and obviously you, who feel the logo and nickname is an issue to tackle those other Native American issues that seem to be irrelevant by those same people. Facts are facts. Leadership is leadership, but as the old "Cowboy" saying goes, "You can only bring a horse to water..." I'm not going to get into a tit for tat. Your opinion is that...just an opinion as is mine, but instead of taking insulting shots at an opinion you don't like, how about providing some facts or insight as to what solutions are being provided for the "continued cultural problems of our fellow people". Your insight would be welcomed...

That is the bottom line: Lack of accountabililty and leadership by the state's Native American "leaders" as a whole. Where is their protest or platform against generations of unemployment, alcoholism, high high school drop-out rates and high rates of teen pregnancies just to name a few of their social/cultural ills? The blame for their problems has and always will come from some other entity other than looking in the mirror and facing the facts that generation apon generation of lack of own personal responsibility is why their "culture" continues to struggle!! The nickname/logo excuse is just that--an excuse--to hide from the real issues at hand the plague our state's Native American population. They, the PC crowd, can protest all they want, but it is hard to hear their voice and reasoning on the UND nickname/logo issue when you never hear them take a stance on what the REAL issues are in the Indian culture. If changing the logo/nickname brings more respect to the Native American people themselves and in turn makes them want to take more responsibility/accountability for themselves, I am all for it. But if anyone thinks that changing the UND name is going to get a 16 year old male on the reservation to say "Now I have more respect for myself and now I will further my education and be a better contributing member to society" you are fooling yourself. I also believe change is in the future: the logo/nicknames--yes, but not the continued cultural problems of the Native American people in ND because frankly, as it has been in the past, it is always easier to point the finger at something or someone else for your problems!

Pathetic and ignorant! 66-7 NDSU if the 2 teams played? Really? I always love to hear from NDSU fans who are punch drunk on their own Kool-Aid! Is NDSU a good FB team--Absolutely. But the reality is a game between the 2 team would be closer than most NDSU fans think it would be. Speaking of pathetic and ignorant, a friend and Bison fan told me yesterday he thinks NDSU would lose MAYBE 2 games if they played a Big Ten schedule this year. Ah, the Kool-Aid!! At least the NDSU grad who mows my lawn doesn't seem drunk as he has not taken out my fence of bushes with his riding mower. Yes, the sky is the limit with a degree from NDSU!!

That's why your "significant other" makes the chick from Betty Ugly look like Jennifer Garner . Or in your case, is it more like your "significant other" makes Conan O'Brien look like Matt Damon

"Lighten up, Francis!!" The shot about playing SUU was a joke. NDSU should and will beat them by 30+. I saw both teams play within a weeks span. Have you seen UND play this year? Has any Bison fan on this board seen UND play this year? How can you have an opinion without seeing both teams play--IN PERSON. That is my point. Both teams have pluses and minuses from what I SAW. But to think that just because NDSU is in a higher division makes them a better team is not the case. I think a game between the 2 would be a good, close game. I don't know who would win on, again, a neutral field. But the arguments from Bison fans are holding little water because all you folks know is what you see and that is only NDSU FB. Let's hear from a Bison fan who has seen both teams play this year and then I'll listen.

Useless?? When you see someone on the street at noon who is 6'8", he looks just as tall as someone who is 6'8" that you see later that day! Same thing goes when you see similar people who are muscularor over-weight. Chappell looked markedly faster than Roehl. Dressler looked faster than any NDSU WR. NDSU's D team speed looked faster than UND's. The QBs appeared to have similar arm strength. By the way, over the past few years UND teams that played the Bison were better!! Just check past history. UND's team from past years is bigger, faster and stronger as is this year's NDSU team. Don't let get to full of yourself as NDSU still has to play SUU!

Live in Fargo, but am a Sioux supporter. Saw the Bison play their opener in the UNDome and the Sioux last weekend. Again, I know it was against different levels of competition, but there is know question that UND has more team speed on the offensive side of the ball and that NDSU looked faster on the D side of the ball. Both team pass the "eye" test as far as similar size of athletes. Played next week on a neutral field, I'd say it's a flip of the coin.

If my memory serves me right, UND has not lost a night game (12-0?) since 1993. UND 31 SUU 21

Other than the lefty-lefty combination, Chorney paired with Genoway will not be much of a drop off from Lee/Chorney both from an offensive and defensive perspective. Genoway, in my opinion, was one of the top 2 D-man from the WCHA playoffs thur the Frozen Four.

Jealous--no. Married--yes. My 6 y.o. daughter and I sat by her on the flight back from the Denver regional. Very impressive young lady.

But his girlfriend plays for the Sioux women

At the very end, we raced back to Toews' table to get a pic with my daughter. I shook his hand after the pic said he needs to do what is best for him and he replied he appreciate that.

I'll second that. Fabian was great with the kids.

Overall, a very impressive group of young men. Engaging, terrific with the kids, funny, and well-spoken (not that I'm implying anything against Obama). Hak was signing as well and had alittle conversaion with him while we were held up in line. You can tell that he has leadership qualities like few coaches out there by the way he carries himself and they way he speak. Very impressed.

Could be timing. We saw Toews earlier on and Lee later in the evening. Just my perspective above.

how was lee? I believe he was at a table with Foyt. He, again, just didn't seem as interested to be there as others. He wasn't real engaging with my 6 year old where as Radke had her going. Hilarious conversation about if she had a boyfriend...sorry I digress. Kind of like the holiday party we all HAVE to attend. Some are there more so than others... But no, he did say he was gone!

You could tell at tonight's Appreciation Night, some of the guys were enjoying themselves more than others (Oshie>Lee), but Toews was the one guy I sensed was soaking it all in and enjoying the evening. You can spin that whichever way you want, but I was leaning on him leaving and now I'm not so sure...

Funny college kid behind us said Spirko was in a class with him last year and he counted Spirko's attendeance for the semester at 6.

Grapevine speculation said he was having surgury on his nose for whatever that's worth? Another Judy's casuality

Just got back from GF. Lots of people and long lines for autographs, especially the DOT 3. Lots of people in front of us asked Toews if he was coming back and he said "I haven't made a decsion yet." "So you're saying I still have a chance..."

I better pass. I'm already popping Crestor likes it's Pez!!!!