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That perception is dead wrong. Maybe now from an athletic standpoint, NDSU has moved past UND but take each university as a whole and UND is still perceived as the premier U in the state. Now maybe if you are playing PS2 and drinking Keystone at 2 AM in your apartment in the Cities with your SU buddies, your perception of SU is valid.

I question, other than geographically, if NDSU is even the flagship university in the Fargo metro area? I see more people around town with UND "stuff" on their cloths, cars and homes than NDSU "stuff". And to think NDSU is recognized outside ND as the premier university is hilarious. Been to major metro cities in the US from east to west coast and say I'm from ND and I have never heard someone say "Oh yeah ND State U is there." When you have the top two academic programs in the med and law schools plus aviation at UND, to say NDSU is a better academic school is well...again hilarious. NDSU, the flagship public U in the state...not from what I've seen and heard in this state or outside of it.

How do quantify the risk Dave? By potential or stupidity? And the risk is on who? You say the risks of guns is troublesome, but you advocate smoking. You want to strip the rights of gun owners, but you can't see the overall harm done by smoking in society. Smoking kills tens of thousands more people in this country each year than do guns and that is not even debatable. By the way, are you Nancy Pelosi's brother??

Heard he was in town on his promotional tour for Ginsu knives.

That's why we got out for a round last night! We hack and slash it around from time to time, but not like OJ!

Would guess that butcher knife he carries in his golf bag doesn't count against his 14 club limit?

Based on the info that was released in the media on his current situation/troubles, I would say he got a good deal in this plea agreement. Now hopefully he can pay his debt based on the agreement and move forward in a postitve fashion.

Are you serious? "Root of much of the evil that exists" is because of conservative politics? You are right this is for a whole different thread, but if that is your true belief than I feel sorry for you. That would be like me saying liberal politics is at the cause of all that is wrong here in America and across the world and I know that is far from the case. And I'm not saying that conservative politics is or has been what this country and/or world has needed or needs to succeed either. I'm sure the suicide bomber in Iraq echos your sentiment, as does the pedophile in your neighborhood. I'm sure most that are "evil" blame it on politics they don't agree with? Evil isn't due to politics, evil is due to greed, hate, envy...should I continue? And I guess throwing God, prayer and the Pledge of Allegience out of schools has made our younger gernerations less "evil". Is there any other shortcomings or "evil" wrongdoings by society that you want to enable because of politics you don't agree with?

No! Their OPTIONS, not their rights, have been limited just like my options were limited before the ban. And yes, I'm ok with the ban passing and passing the inconvenience on to the smoker. We'll just agree to see it differently.

I guess we don't need to have a conversation as to which way each of us will vote in this upcoming presidential election!

How about the 70+ year old who smoked for 30+ years, but stopped 17 years ago. Developed COPD 6 years ago and can't figure out how he got COPD as he stopped smoking 17 years ago--not that he got COPD from smoking for 30+ years. By the way, he loves golfing with that O2 tank slung around his shoulder/neck! And the fact that he is out of breath walking from his cart to the green.

Dave, Dave...stop living in the "WAS"! Also during your "times", gas was under a buck and there was prayer in school. Things change and not always for the preceived good! Gas is $4--bad. Prayer and God are out of schools--bad. So your argument is because smoking was widely accepted in the 70's, it should still be in 2008? And further more, all the industries, i.e. airlines as an example, that decided to ban smoking since your "time" are/were wrong to do so?

You can and will roll your eyes because you are too bent on your "rights" to see the big picture...which again I can draw for you if need be.

Is there a limit on smoking? And the point is not about losing your driver's license. The point, which you brought up, was limiting a legal product which is infringing on your rights. andtheHomeoftheSIOUX meet DaveK. Now go play but don't run with the scissors!

Didn't want to ask!? Might be TMI!

And how does alcohol fit into your "argument"? Alcohol is legal at age 21. It becomes illegal when you are intoxicated and caught with a DUI. That is limiting a legal product when the comsumption of that product becomes a risk to the user or those in potential contact with the alcohol user. Try again...

Golfed in right behind Brian Lee's 4-some last Thurs. He had his cap on backwards the whole round and I doubt he is either.

You don't have to buy it, but again it is what it is. Not perfect but still the best of what is available world-wide. Thanks for the definition.

And peanuts too I'm sure!

No love it or leave it argument from me, but the democratic voting process though is what it is. Life isn't fair, it just is what side of fair do you want to be on? I don't like to hear the baristra at Strabuck's griping about fair and he only works 24 hrs/week, sleeps in until 11 am every day and smokes pot. He could make his situation better, but chooses not to. I don't think it is "fair" that pray is taken out of schools as well as the Pledge of Alligence. I tell my kids that life is not fair, but it is up to you to get on the "right" side of "fair" as they see it. And if people do that, they have no reason to complain. Everyone of us can find situations in our life that are not "fair". I see the side of smokers being inconvenienced in Fargo by the ban and feel that it is not "fair", but the people of Fargo voted and it is what it is. The city continues to raise my property taxes. Fair? But my option is to move out of Fargo or deal with it and voice my opinion, wheter heard or not. Appreicate your service to our country! And jingoistic...I am not that smart!

Fixed your post. Can draw you a picture if you like.

But if my wanting to go to a restaurant/bar/club affects my health as a non-smoker because there is smoking, that LIMITS my choices as a non-smoker. How is that now different than the new ban. I used to choose not to frequnet those places because of smoke. Now smokers have their choices LIMITED but the ban doesn't dictate that they CAN'T smoke. Now I can go to a place with smokers, enjoy their company but not be affected by their smoke and they still have the OPTION to smoke, just not in that enviroment. Inconvenient for smokers? Yes. Lost their right to smoke? No.

Not ignorant? Try again. Come follow me for a day and see if you don't care about the effects of smoking on a person's health. You think it is fun for that 65 year old recently retired man who is now on oxygen with COPD or lung cancer due to 40 years of smoking. Yes the golden years! He has little quality of life for the short time he has left. Or the 75 year old great-grandmother who has blinding macular degeneration and can't see the faces of her great-grandchildren because she smoked for 45 years? Keep posting moronic comments, like the one above, so you can feel better about "your freedom" being lost. I bet in the 2 isolated cases I mentioned above, their "freedom" for a decent quality of life now makes them re-evaluate their past decisions of "freedom of choice" to smoke. But then again you "don't care"!

You seem to be displeased with what goes on in this state and country. For people like you I'd gladly pay the one-way ticket north to Canada for you. Whether you like it or not, the election process is what this country is based on. Fargo, not ND, voted for the smoking ban. This was not "tyranny of the majority", but a majority of the those who exercised their right to vote saying yes to the ban. Don't like the result, don't live in Fargo. Don't like the democratic voting process, head north.

Wrong for the gov't to have this control? Medicare and Medicaid are gov't health programs that care for those who chose to smoke and become ill. But it is my tax dollars that fund those programs and I don't smoke. Should the gov't have control over my taxes to help those who are irresponsible and knowingly make poor choices that will affect their health? An now the voice of the people who approved the ban thru the democratic voting process of this country is wrong? And bringing Hilter into this...now you are really sounding ignorant. You try to connect the dots here and you really don't get it.