Hawkster

I doubt changing coaches automatically makes a team poorer. I seem to remember hearing the opposite argument a few years ago when we all wanted Muss fired. Besides, the coach isn't bringing the entire Western Illinois team with him. Don't kid yourself, we will have our hands full with South Dakota.

USD is good. If you don't believe it, ask the Bison

I'm going with 2-1 Hawks. Someone will step up

Kinda sucks to keep losing kids, but I've got a feeling we've probably got a few sleepers that aren't being talked about, hoping they slide under the radar until signing day. And signing day can't get here soon enough. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we don't lose any more, this had been shaping up to be a good class.

I have a strong hunch one of their Mo Vallley Football Conference brethren will put an end to the run before we do. As much as it would be nice to be "the one" to end the streak, we aren't there yet.

All one has to do is look at Idaho to realize that FBS isn't feasible for NDSU or UND, at least not at the present. The fact that Idaho is going to wind up moving back to FCS should squelch the talk of anyone else in this area moving up.

More proof that the committee had their collective heads stuck some place.

Lucky for us that they don't because we'd get left in the dust. I don't see us ever going FBS, not with the deficit the athletic dept has been running.

I watched the game in a bar today, needed the booze to ease the pain of the Bison winning No. 5. Beats me how they do it year after year, but something underhanded has to be going on. No program can stay up there like that. Do they cheat at recruiting or something? They certainly wouldn't be the first program by any length. Now for us, we need improve next year to the point of at least winning a playoff game or two. We can't keep dragging our feet.

Most of us have that point figured out. There seems to be only one amongst us who doesn't understand that you can't pull the feathers over the NCAA's eyes.

We've already been down that road. The loose feathers pointing downward on the neck need to be removed, and I don't feel black is an appropriate color. Has UND hired you to design the logo? Otherwise, I don't think you need to worry about the criticism.

I agree fully. That design just doesn't cut it and hopefully we'll have a much nicer design. We certainly deserve better.

Well can you share where wiki got hidden at? I honestly think half the changes made anywhere are made with the sole intention on seeing how many people it can p**s off. So where do I look???? Thanks.

It doesn't take much imagination to figure out what those loose feathers on the bottom of the neck area are implying.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/local/3911648-another-designer-puts-spin-und-logo-controversy

It won't matter what you are, there is no way UND lets someone with a vested interest in a slanted logo do the design. We want a beautiful, non controversial logo and don't need head dress, etc to try and poke the NCAA bear.

And, the only reason people mush and gush over it is because of the arrangement of the feathers to look like a war bonnet. We just don't learn, keep trying to give the finger to the NCAA and it doesn't work. We need a good, non-confrontational logo and this will only come from a paid, professional artist. There is zero reason to keep refighting this battle.

I agree, no one here said we win a Natty Title but the fact that we keep bringing up not getting in the playoffs and whole quality loss thing is what keeps driving this issue. We laid an egg against Idaho State and Weber and it came back to bite us. No use constantly bringing up missing the playoffs because that just feeds the Bison with the idea that we somehow thought we make this long playoff run to the championship.

With the strength we showed at the end of the season, I doubt we sneak up on anyone next year. A few teams learned the hard way we are for real.

Sorry if this is posted someone, I miss things at times, anyway is there any way to watch this game? Hopefully someone has it some where.

I like it! Looks aggressive and the Nodak Nation ties in with our flirtation at becoming the "Nodaks" rather than the Hawks. The other great thing is it's not overly busy nor is it trying to needle the NCAA with the misuse of strategically placed feathers.

No Med Shirt for him last year. I'm sure it was too late in the season, so he'll be a senior next year

You can pretend all you want that this doesn't imitate native head dress, but we all know those feathers are arranged that way for a reason. The NCAA is going to take a very close look at whatever we adopt and if we keep pulling stunts like this we not make the playoffs with an 11-0 record. This is the main reason Kelley is having a hired firm do the drawing and then we can finally move on.

The bottom feathers look WAY too much like the headdress feathers on a Sioux war bonnet. No way this passes muster.

The bigger question is, would UND be willing to pay a decent salary for someone who can turn this around? The idea that we can bring in a successful D2 coach and expect miracles is probably asking too much. Salary is going to need to be upped by 50% to attract the right guy. And I agree that Jones will probably be here in March, which is too bad.