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That's why I said we need to adjust our program to the individual and situation - I am not saying no heavy explosive lifts, I am saying we need to be able to make changes when necessary and tailor more to individual needs - and upgrade our nutrition. My bigger point was that honest evaluation and being flexible enough to change if needed seems to be hard for our program - that's why we had Rudy for 5 years.

That's your take-away from my post? I used it as a generalization - but it doesn't entail powerlifting for everyone regardless of position. In my mind a 21st century strength and conditioning program is constantly evaluating its program and results and incorporating new ideas as they fit. It is flexible as new ideas come into play and new athletes come into the system and it adapts to different needs both by position and individual athlete. I am not saying that there is one "modern approach", I am saying that we need to be able to evaluate and change as necessary. It certainly involves nutrition and motivation. Tom Brady has very different conditioning needs than Julian Edelman or offensive tackle Marcus Cannon. I am advocating for looking at results and making changes as necessary - and although that idea isn't unique to the 21st century it needs to be applied to our program. I am not the only poster that thinks our Strength and Conditioning needs an upgrade. My overall post was that we need the ability to make changes when needed and I used Strength and Conditioning as one example.

This, in my mind, illustrates perhaps the biggest weakness of our program - the apparent inability to properly evaluate coaches and systems and make meaningful changes. See 5 years of Rudy. Rudy didn't change one iota, was allowed to go on for 5 years, and if anything became more "Rudylike" as the years went by. Someone in charge needs to talk to Baukol about maybe going away from the "powerlifting for all" philosophy and perhaps adapt a position specific workout program according to agreed upon goals (you know, like almost all top programs do) - and while we're at it let's talk a bit about nutrition. Perhaps Chaves is the difference maker here as we are finally Rudy free. Strength and Conditioning needs to join the 21st century. I think if we could evaluate and make changes throughout the program there would be a lot less fan frustration - much of it now is focused on things that just don't seem to change. And as long as we are taking this radical approach about looking at new things let's talk about the 3-4 defense and how it works without the 3 being physically able to tie up the O linemen.

Bubba's team desperately needs to move out of the coulda woulda shoulda phase and into some real achievements. Did we play some very good teams tough this year - absolutely. Are we 6 years into Bubba's reign and still without a playoff victory - also yes. We've almost put it together for many years now (with a few bumps in the road). Time to demand success. Being "wait until next year" fans is getting old.

Great job - keep them coming.

It's probably the same in most programs but every year we are excited about our new recruits and predict great things. Then 3-4 years later we complain about recruiting (including the fact that most didn't have any other FCS offers) and notice a glaring weakness or two we didn't fill (a big nose tackle for example). We also aren't excited about their development. Rinse, Repeat.

It's hard for me to tell how good this class is since almost all recruits have accolades coming out of High School. Those who follow more closely - what grade would you give this class so far? Do we have many recruits with other BCS offers for example. I know we still need some big bodies and are excited about our QB prospects.

Wally World's closed that day.

A bold move - going "Full Rudy".

An if that weak pass interference call went the other way Illinois State would have gotten the ball back with time on the clock and better field position - knowing that they were in 4 down territory all the way. It would have been interesting.

Trey Lance threw a swing pass that was clearly backwards behind the line of scrimmage - the receiver dropped the ball and the defender picked up what clearly should have been a fumble and had a clear path to the end zone. Ref's called it an incomplete pass.

When did the Bison hire Rudy?

Like the sign at the NCAA basketball tournament a few years ago said - "The fly is open ... so let's go Peay"

Well, if we can just get the OL to lose another 10 pounds each it should be problem solved.

I don't doubt that at all. But the mystery remains about where the great "we need a lighter line" experiment originated. In my mind this was a fiasco.

Actually these things don't just "happen" to us - they are self inflicted. And the short answer as to why is because Bubba.

In another thread a poster complained that Football is hurt by the nickname controversy. Here's what I think - there are not many Sioux Forever fans left - even though that's what you hear at hockey games. Almost all realize the Sioux is not coming back. However, there is a strong contingent that feels that the Fighting Hawk name and logo is so pathetic they will never get behind it. I am one. I just can't bring myself to buy anything that features that idiotic name and postal logo. We were promised a strong nickname that represented us in a unique way. Adjective Bird just doesn't cut it - nor does the Hawk name represent North Dakota in any way. Just look at the brief excitement when a moose wandered on to campus. Time for a do-over to give us a nickname we can all be proud of - Fighting Moose would be a winner.

A great start and I for one am amazed at the increase in puck skills this year. However, it's not how you drive, it's how you arrive - see St. Clown last year. We need to continue and finish strong.

You 're an idiot

You are correct about the facilities - we need Phase II soon. However, as nice as it to think that us average fans can up our contributions and take care of it, the amount necessary is far out of reach for that type of funding. The administration needs to stop alienating big pockets donors from Sanford to the Engelstads. That's the only way it will get built. This isn't to say there shouldn't be a drive to raise money from fans - it would help and give everyone some skin in the game and unite the fan base. This lack of progress doesn't mean Bubba should get a pass. Much of our misery has been self-inflicted and has nothing to do with Phase II - from 5 years of Rudy to our annual trip to Idaho State to our "light line" experiment to his game and clock management - these are all things under Bubba's control. Just watch the second half of the Richmond game to see the staff in action. Better facilities would certainly help with recruiting, but that shouldn't be an excuse for Bubba's coaching decisions.

No - I was replying to the specific question from Rebel Sioux "Are there any specific examples of military leaders not working out at UND? " Buning was military and did not work out. Not comparing anything.

Tom Buning, former assistant AD at Army, was in way over his head as UND athletic director and did not endear himself to the fans or alumni.

Looking at our lines on both sides of the ball this year and I would have to say no. That's not to say we don't have some nice players - we do. But overall we are ripe to be bullied by teams who are strong up front. Not what I expected 6 years into Bubba Ball.

With our D line this year I'm not sure how we recruited for it.

There is much venting on here - as it is a fan board. However, the collective "hive mind" has correctly identified areas that need improvement. The big question is whether Bubba is self-aware enough to make some. All we get from him (and to be fair, many other coaches) is coach speak and day by day. We have hope that Chaves will make a difference, but the average Joe hears almost nothing from him. Almost every year we see things that make us optimistic for next year. We also see stunning failures as illustrated by Idaho State. And the most frustrating thing is that we almost always are left with horrible optics - the old triple reverse, last year's total collapse, this year's light linemen experiment, and this year Bubba looking constipated while deciding not to go for it on 4th down with 6 minutes left. This has been going on long enough. I understand we are stuck with Bubba but things need to get sorted out and right soon. Chaves needs to intervene.