The Sicatoka

The NCAA put Marco Hunt on the ice with UND after UND got him removed from the list of NCHC officials. Was it so we could kiss and make up?

You don't think Kelley would love that? He'd look like the good guy and the bad guys look worse. Win-win for Kelley.

Ah, yes, "the Engelstad scenario" -- do as I demand. Look where we ended up with that.

One little statement clears much of this up.

Scott, many folks here have no idea who Kendall Baker is/was.

It takes all kinds. As long as it stuck to collecting stuff, hey, some folks collect dead animals and hang them on walls. Not my thing either.

John, John, John, the FBI has no burden of proof like a court or jury. The FBI could've spread whatever innuendo they wanted. The FBI said they found nothing.

Hajdu is (as one American president coined it) "the man in the arena". It's wise to listen to that point of view; you don't have to agree with it, but you do need to consider it with an open mind.

All these good questions being turned 180 degrees today, are folks ready if they swing back 180 again? I ask myself this question every day: Are you ruled by logic or emotion.

http://forum.siouxsports.com/topic/1081-engelstad-not-a-nazi/?p=17837 But please, carry on with the revisionism (or is rumor mongering considered academics in some circles).

I think maybe Madam Senator ...

Don't link, show.

The old name was gone when Kelley got here. There was nothing to save.

Hot? No. I feel more like the resident historian.

The State (elected officials from Bismarck) made those overtures. As has been said here, SR tribal council wasn't interested and you can't negotiate with an empty chair.

They took the old name. They "took" the no nickname option (not really). Now they tease that they'll give the option back so you're happy ... missing that they took the old name. I believe the phrase is "you're being played; we're all being played."

Let's read Kelley's exact words: Much ado about nothing folks. He tipped his hand in his wording. He'll "further review all the feedback received" and work with his consultants (and his retirement party planner Dr. Eric Longie) and they'll help him verify as he's already said," ... it is in the best interest of the University to have a new nickname ... " Or, he'll call the NCAA and have them be the bad guy in this with a "no nickname doesn't meet the intent of the settlement; name or naughty list" letter.

Don't forget that the settlement agreement was signed not by any UND official but by the duly elected and sworn Attorney General of the State of ND.

Please remember that UND was precluded from picking a name by state law until just seven months ago. The NCAA would be foolish to hammer UND during that period. As soon as it ended, the process to a nickname restarted. Given that, you have as much proof they wouldn't crash down on UND in the future as I do that they would. PS - If folks didn't like my signature comment about Marco Hunt, they really won't like this quote of Aquinas.

Don't kid yourself: KG had the same concern.

They'd come down for continuing to foster an environment where the old nickname is a viable option. Subtle, yes, but real.

I'm saying when the legal angles were exhausted, rather than stomping and saying "no nickname!" it should've been, "we people invested in this athletic department demand a new nickname and we pick it now." Instead, it is as you say, an underwhelming process. The "no nickname" crowd was suckered by Kelley. The longer he could draw this out he knew he could get his outcome by attrition.

The "old name or nothing" mindset was in place in January 2012 based on looking at old threads. I think the yelping would've been about the same.

That's not "reported". That's an opinion piece by Brad. Tom Miller did an opinion piece (other opinion) as well.