tnt Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I thought it would be interesting to guesstimate what would happen if... Sioux win all 4 games -- They would finish second, barring CC running the table. win 3 and tie -- Still probably finish second. win 3 and lose -- probably finish 3rd Win 2 , lose 1, tie one -- 4th place finish Win 2, lose 2 -- 5th place finish anything worse -- on the road. Of course the finish would depend totally on which teams the Sioux beat or lose to in the final 4 games, but that would be my guess as to where they would finish. I would like to depend on Duluth, Michigan Tech and Mankato helping the Sioux out, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that, even though I was impressed by Duluth's fight last weekend and Mankato's the weekend before. What do you think will happen down the stretch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 I just want to see the Sioux make the NCAAs. Any scenario that has us making it, ANY seed, is fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 we WILL sweep this coming weekend rodents WILL sweep jbsu this weekend then its on like donkey kong @ we have never won a NC$$ game university weekend battle for 2nd in the WCHA anyone else have some guesses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 FYI -- here's the annual WCHA possibilities. In short, for UND: * Can finish anywhere from 2nd to 7th * Can clinch 6th with 2 points this weekend * Can clinch 5th with 4 points this weekend * Can no longer finish 2nd with fewer than 1 point this weekend The last three are just the guaranteed results of UND's wins/losses. Obviously, if UND wins and other certain teams lose, they could do even better or worse. I've seen a few other sources try to do this sort of analysis, but mess up the head-to-head problem (that is, counting the possibilities including both teams winning or losing a certain contest). So, it seemed worth getting this out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxfan_inDenver Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Lets get a win on Friday, and a win on Saturday and let God sort em out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargosioux Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Does somebody have a link to the WCHA what-if calculator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roper1313 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Does somebody have a link to the WCHA what-if calculator? http://siouxsports.com/hockey/wchawhatif.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fargosioux Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 http://siouxsports.com/hockey/wchawhatif.php That link appears to be dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Using the links on the pages of this site: Hockey Home Stats Tools What If Calculators WCHA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 FYI -- here's the annual WCHA possibilities. In short, for UND: * Can finish anywhere from 2nd to 7th I think that now changes to 3rd to 6th (or is it still 7th)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxTupa Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 I think it's crazy that UW can still (presumably, and riduculously luckily) tie for 4th!! It looks like we're either UW or MTU at home? Hopefully, anyway. I think another crack at MTU would be just dandy after their sweep at the Ralph a few months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farce poobah Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 I think that now changes to 3rd to 6th (or is it still 7th)? We can still finish 7th, in an extreme scenario: Sioux lose both, UW sweeps, Tech sweeps, CC gets 3/4 points. We need one win to clinch home ice. (Less than that brings the other guys back in the race.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDLeafsGuy Posted February 26, 2007 Share Posted February 26, 2007 That link appears to be dead. Who has this what-if calculator ? How many keystones would proudsioux have to drink for the Sioux to end up in FIRST? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxmama Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Who has this what-if calculator ? How many keystones would proudsioux have to drink for the Sioux to end up in FIRST? OMG! Don't give him the challenge. I think he is already trying to find out though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 We can still finish 7th, in an extreme scenario: Sioux lose both, UW sweeps, Tech sweeps, CC gets 3/4 points. We need one win to clinch home ice. (Less than that brings the other guys back in the race.) While you're right from a WCHA tournament seeding perspective (which would use the h2h tiebreaker to give the higher seed to UW), it's worth noting that the Sioux would actually finish tied for 6th in conference standings in that scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farce poobah Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 While you're right from a WCHA tournament seeding perspective (which would use the h2h tiebreaker to give the higher seed to UW), it's worth noting that the Sioux would actually finish tied for 6th in conference standings in that scenario. You are correct. I was looking thru the tiebreaker with the BADgers, which we'd lose and be seeded 7th for the WCHA playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochsioux Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 I think it's crazy that UW can still (presumably, and riduculously luckily) tie for 4th!! It looks like we're either UW or MTU at home? Hopefully, anyway. I think another crack at MTU would be just dandy after their sweep at the Ralph a few months ago. I think either team is preferable to Mankato State. Right now Mankato is just sneaking in as a TUC and do not play again till the WCHA first round. If we play them in the first round and happen to sweep we would be 5-0-1 against them. Unfortunately they would most likely drop out as a TUC and we lose all the wins. So sweeping them might actually hurt our NCAA chances. I would rather play someone else and be able to cheer for Mankato to win. UW seems to have our number recently and with Elliott, well, a hot goalie can take you a long way. The benefit of playing them is there could be a chance to knock them out of being a TUC and removing the 1-3 record we have with them. This might be the best for UND if they could sweep them. My preference is for a matchup with MTU at the Ralph, would like to even up the season record with them. Two wins against them would help the TUC and I don't think it would cause them to drop out of the top 25 RPI...if it does, that's even better cause it would eliminate two losses on our TUC record. As long as our TUC record is above .500 then eliminating two losses is better than adding two wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxTupa Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Plus, I don't know if anybody is excited about having to be the team to end Wisconsin's season. Defending champions, and this is their last chance to make the big dance (their only chance)!! Plus, as you said, they tend to play well at the Ralph lately, and have Elliot. I think Tech will come to GF, and it'll be a fun weekend. Should help UND in Pairwise, correcting the two losses we already have to MTU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnami Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Plus, I don't know if anybody is excited about having to be the team to end Wisconsin's season. Defending champions, and this is their last chance to make the big dance (their only chance)!! Plus, as you said, they tend to play well at the Ralph lately, and have Elliot. I think Tech will come to GF, and it'll be a fun weekend. Should help UND in Pairwise, correcting the two losses we already have to MTU. From a PWR standpoint, the best scenario is that we would sweep Tech, MSU wins their first round series (BTW, MSU gives DU fits historically) and Wisco drops from the top 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7NationalTitles Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 From a PWR standpoint, the best scenario is that we would sweep Tech, MSU wins their first round series (BTW, MSU gives DU fits historically) and Wisco drops from the top 15. I'm thinking you meant to say that Wisconsin drops from the top 25 (in RPI), not the top 15. Just clarifying for others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted February 27, 2007 Author Share Posted February 27, 2007 Now that Tech and Mankato proved me wrong by helping the Sioux out, I would like to see Denver and CC tie on Friday while the Sioux win. That would put the Sioux tied with Denver for 3rd and ahead of CC by 3 points. How would the tie break with Denver play out if that scenario took place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochsioux Posted February 27, 2007 Share Posted February 27, 2007 Now that Tech and Mankato proved me wrong by helping the Sioux out, I would like to see Denver and CC tie on Friday while the Sioux win. That would put the Sioux tied with Denver for 3rd and ahead of CC by 3 points. How would the tie break with Denver play out if that scenario took place? Here is the breakdown as I see it: If Denver goes 2-0 then Sioux cannot get 3rd If Denver goes 1-1 then the Sioux need a Sweep If Denver goes 1-0-1 then the Sioux need a Sweep, goes to tiebreaker (d) If Denver goes 0-2 then the Sioux need at least a win and tie, one win only would give CC 3rd based on tiebreaker (b) If Denver goes 0-1-1 then with one Sioux win it goes to tiebreaker (d). Anything more than 2 points gives UND 3rd for sure. If Denver goes 0-0-2 then a Sioux win and tie goes to tiebreaker (d). A sweep gives UND 3rd for sure. In all likelyhood, if it goes to tiebreaker (d) then the Sioux have the advantage (goal differential: UND +13, DU +3). So if UND only gets a split, then the only way to get 3rd is if DU goes 0-1-1 with CC. A Sioux sweep will probably give them 3rd as long as DU does not sweep. (b) tiebreaker is most conference wins (d) tiebreaker is conference goal differential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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