SiouxMD Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 2006 NCAA Football Attendance UND slips two spots to #7 (of 143) in DII. Rank School G Attendance Average 1. Fort Valley St. 3 41,047 13,682 2. Tuskegee 5 55,979 11,195 3. West Tex. A&M 7 74,461 10,637 4. North Ala. 6 60,548 10,091 5. Grand Valley St. 8 72,651 9,081 6. Abilene Christian 5 45,005 9,001 7. North Dakota 6 52,963 8,827 8. Albany St. (Ga.) 4 34,683 8,670 9. Pittsburg St. 6 50,375 8,395 10. Morehouse 5 41,361 8,272 11. South Dakota 6 48,326 8,054 In comparison to 2005... 2005 NCAA Football Attendance - THREAD UND ranked 5th out of 147 DII football teams in attendance average for the 2005 season. 1) West Texas A&M (13,089) 2) Tuskegee (11,307) 3) Miles (10,214) 4) Angelo St. (9,483) 5) North Dakota (9,425) 6) Grand Valley St. (9,242) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxMD Posted February 12, 2007 Author Share Posted February 12, 2007 Interestingly...Fort Valley State went from #20 (2005) to #1 (2006). 2005 20. Fort Valley St. 3 19,862 6,620 2006 1. Fort Valley St. 3 41,047 13,682 They doubled their attendance...sounds fishy. First...the FVSU website states they had four home games... 41047/4 = 10261 This would put them in fourth place overall in average home attendance. Second...here is their schedule: Overall Conference Date Opponent Score Record Record Time Attend ---- -------- ----- -------- -------- ---- ------ * Aug 26, 2006 at Clark Atlanta W 9-8 1- 0- 0 1- 0- 0 2:37 6400 Sept 2, 2006 MOREHOUSE COLLEGE W 24-14 2- 0- 0 1- 0- 0 2:52 6315 Sep 09, 2006 at Valdosta State 3-31 L 2- 1- 0 1- 0- 0 2:44 8176 * Sep 16, 2006 at Miles College 7-15 L 2- 2- 0 1- 1- 0 9489 * Sep 23, 2006 vs Tuskegee University 20-34 L 2- 3- 0 1- 2- 0 2:57 7729 Sep 30, 2006 at Howard 19-34 L 2- 4- 0 1- 2- 0 2:46 3082 *YOct 07, 2006 at Stillman College 11-34 L 2- 5- 0 1- 3- 0 2H 30M 1807 * Oct 21, 2006 BENEDICT COLLEGE WO 16-10 3- 5- 0 2- 3- 0 3:02 10115 * Oct 28, 2006 at LANE COLLEGE W 41-27 4- 5- 0 3- 3- 0 * Nov 04, 2006 ALBANY STATE UNIV. 3-21 L 4- 6- 0 3- 4- 0 2:45 24617 Nov 11, 2006 at Kentucky State 16-19 L 4- 7- 0 3- 4- 0 2:55 2130 Home games are in bold...the homes against Benedict College and Albany State University were played in Macon, GA and Columbus, GA respectively. Fort Valley State University is located in Fort Valley, GA. Sounds like they got credit for a on-the-road home game...twice. It doesn't really matter. What does matter is that UND is down from last years attendance. GET OFF YOUR BUTTS and GET TO THE GAME. GO SIOUX!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PartTime Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 2006 NCAA Football Attendance UND slips two spots to #7 (of 143) in DII. Rank School G Attendance Average 1. Fort Valley St. 3 41,047 13,682 2. Tuskegee 5 55,979 11,195 3. West Tex. A&M 7 74,461 10,637 4. North Ala. 6 60,548 10,091 5. Grand Valley St. 8 72,651 9,081 6. Abilene Christian 5 45,005 9,001 7. North Dakota 6 52,963 8,827 8. Albany St. (Ga.) 4 34,683 8,670 9. Pittsburg St. 6 50,375 8,395 10. Morehouse 5 41,361 8,272 11. South Dakota 6 48,326 8,054 In comparison to 2005... 2005 NCAA Football Attendance - THREAD UND ranked 5th out of 147 DII football teams in attendance average for the 2005 season. 1) West Texas A&M (13,089) 2) Tuskegee (11,307) 3) Miles (10,214) 4) Angelo St. (9,483) 5) North Dakota (9,425) 6) Grand Valley St. (9,242) That last playoff game with Winona State didn't help, 5,000+. I still don't think they get an accurate attendance count at the games...........UND does the attendance count.......... UND only has control over the lower bowl..etc. To me, that doesn't equal an accurate figure. I know some on here have stated that tickets are the counter which means actual butts in the seats, but I've been to games where there were very few seats open and the attendance was announced in the low 12,000's. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 In the FCS/DI-AA world, 2005: 3. Yale 5 108,333 21,667 19. Harvard 5 60,845 12,169 (169,178 combined fans) 2006: 5. Yale 5 92,809 18,562 9. Harvard 5 77,742 15,548 (169,751 combined fans) Who plays at home in rivalry games shows up in the averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Personally, I think that when the NCAA compiles attendance numbers, only regular season games should count. The playoffs are a completely different animal, between the Thanksgiving holiday, short time periods in which to sell tickets, potentially playing a team for a second time, etc. Look at Grand Valley's situation, as well. They averaged something like 11,800 for the regular season, and then hosted three playoff games which drew between 4100 and 5200 each. I just think it's ridiculous to penalize a team because they happened to host a playoff game or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willistonsioux Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Personally, I think that when the NCAA compiles attendance numbers, only regular season games should count. The playoffs are a completely different animal, between the Thanksgiving holiday, short time periods in which to sell tickets, potentially playing a team for a second time, etc. Look at Grand Valley's situation, as well. They averaged something like 11,800 for the regular season, and then hosted three playoff games which drew between 4100 and 5200 each. I just think it's ridiculous to penalize a team because they happened to host a playoff game or two. So you don't want to host a playoff game cause it looks bad for your attendance. Maybe if people showed up for the games we wouldn't have this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 So you don't want to host a playoff game cause it looks bad for your attendance. Maybe if people showed up for the games we wouldn't have this problem. That's not what I said. That wasn't even close to the point I was attempting to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stromer Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Personally, I think that when the NCAA compiles attendance numbers, only regular season games should count. The playoffs are a completely different animal, between the Thanksgiving holiday, short time periods in which to sell tickets, potentially playing a team for a second time, etc. Look at Grand Valley's situation, as well. They averaged something like 11,800 for the regular season, and then hosted three playoff games which drew between 4100 and 5200 each. I just think it's ridiculous to penalize a team because they happened to host a playoff game or two. Totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYOBISONMAN Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 That figure needs to improve to get the revenue for DI. I would think that with better teams coming to play the Sioux attendance will rise. The attendance at NDSU has increased every year since leaving D2. This years average was 16,377. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 That figure needs to improve to get the revenue for DI. I would think that with better teams coming to play the Sioux attendance will rise. The attendance at NDSU has increased every year since leaving D2. This years average was 16,377. Is that an actual paying price of around 8,000? Or was stop-n-go doing the 3 for 1? I can never remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Is that an actual paying price of around 8,000? Or was stop-n-go doing the 3 for 1? I can never remember. Like Hugo's giving away free tickets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 This argument reminds me of one of my favorite Far Side cartoons. What the dog hears when you are scolding her.... blah blah blah ginger blah blah blah blah ginger blah blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYOBISONMAN Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Is that an actual paying price of around 8,000? Or was stop-n-go doing the 3 for 1? I can never remember. I am just stating a fact. If the fact that the Bison out draw the Sioux by about double pisses you off.....too bad. Facts are facts and if UND is making the jump to DI you better close the gap. I can tell you this.....I had 2 extra tickets to the SDSU game, the day of the game the line in the Fargodome was about 90 minutes long to by tickets. When I asked if anyone was interested in bying my extra seats I was damn near trampled by salivating fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I am just stating a fact. If the fact that the Bison out draw the Sioux by about double pisses you off.....too bad. Facts are facts and if UND is making the jump to DI you better close the gap. I can tell you this.....I had 2 extra tickets to the SDSU game, the day of the game the line in the Fargodome was about 90 minutes long to by tickets. When I asked if anyone was interested in bying my extra seats I was damn near trampled by salivating fans. Now there're saying that the alerus is counting wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I can tell you this.....I had 2 extra tickets to the SDSU game, the day of the game the line in the Fargodome was about 90 minutes long to by tickets. When I asked if anyone was interested in bying my extra seats I was damn near trampled by salivating fans. I think there's a series of shots you can get for this condition. Just the fact that you had a ticket, let alone two extras, says a lot about you. The fact that they were salivating had nothing to do with the Ag College football game. All you have to do is go to the campus and you'll see most people walking around with drool dripping off their chin. I think the condition is more prevalent in the female species of the college, but it's hard to tell when so many have the condition. It would be an interesting research project to see why they all seem to congregate at one school. There are probably some Doctors from the University of North Dakota Medical School that can shed more light on this than I can, but they probably don't want to go to the campus anymore than I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxMD Posted February 14, 2007 Author Share Posted February 14, 2007 I am just stating a fact. If the fact that the Bison out draw the Sioux by about double pisses you off.....too bad. Facts are facts and if UND is making the jump to DI you better close the gap. I can tell you this.....I had 2 extra tickets to the SDSU game, the day of the game the line in the Fargodome was about 90 minutes long to by tickets. When I asked if anyone was interested in bying my extra seats I was damn near trampled by salivating fans. Salivating Bison? Could it be...Rabies in an American Bison from North Dakota? I'm sorry WYO...but we are going to have to put you down. It's for the good of the herd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I am just stating a fact. If the fact that the Bison out draw the Sioux by about double pisses you off.....too bad. I don't think any UND fans are or should be pissed off because NDSU football attendance is double what UND's is. NDSU was arguably the most successful DII football program of all time. It is a football school, located in a football town/metro area that also just happens to have roughly 3 times the population than that of the city where UND plays football, which is a secondary sport in that city and at that school. ........if UND is making the jump to DI you better close the gap. I agree 100%. And it will likely happen. What was the attendance difference when both schools were DII, a couple thousand? NDSU and SDSU saw sharp spikes solely because they moved to DI, and I don't think there is anything that would suggest otherwise for when UND jumps up. If I were an NDSU fan though, I might be a little pissed that it took the novelty of a move to DI to create such a disparity in attendence, when Fargo has had a fan-base that is potentially 3 times larger to draw from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 That last playoff game with Winona State didn't help, 5,000+. I still don't think they get an accurate attendance count at the games...........UND does the attendance count.......... UND only has control over the lower bowl..etc. To me, that doesn't equal an accurate figure. I know some on here have stated that tickets are the counter which means actual butts in the seats, but I've been to games where there were very few seats open and the attendance was announced in the low 12,000's. Just my opinion. I agree that the numbers don't seem all that accurate or consistent. UND's "official" regular season attendance average was just under 9600, plus however many there were in the suites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammersmith Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 What was the attendance difference when both schools were DII, a couple thousand? NDSU and SDSU saw sharp spikes solely because they moved to DI, and I don't think there is anything that would suggest otherwise for when UND jumps up. If I were an NDSU fan though, I might be a little pissed that it took the novelty of a move to DI to create such a disparity in attendence, when Fargo has had a fan-base that is potentially 3 times larger to draw from. Sorry for cutting up your post bin, but I just wanted to throw a few numbers out here. For the most part, the gap is simply returning to where it historically has been(maybe a bit more). The reason it seems to be otherwise is that your championship run and our 2-8 season were back-to-back. Here are the last ten years: Year NDSU UND Diff 1997 12512 8810 3702 1998 11589 7692 3897 1999 11410 7813 3597 2000 12723 8658 4065 2001 12115 10517 1598 2002 10620 9488 1132 2003 11567 9033 2534 2004 13269 9389 3880 2005 14160 9426 4734 2006 16377 8827 7550 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 I think there's a series of shots you can get for this condition. Just the fact that you had a ticket, let alone two extras, says a lot about you. The fact that they were salivating had nothing to do with the Ag College football game. All you have to do is go to the campus and you'll see most people walking around with drool dripping off their chin. I think the condition is more prevalent in the female species of the college, but it's hard to tell when so many have the condition. It would be an interesting research project to see why they all seem to congregate at one school. There are probably some Doctors from the University of North Dakota Medical School that can shed more light on this than I can, but they probably don't want to go to the campus anymore than I do. That's about all that UND doctors are good for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sultan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Bison Dan... UND consistently has more fans every year that attend the sports we offer than what NDSU has attending the sports they offer. Not bad considering you have three times the population we have. You better take care of your own problems before you start pointing fingers. I see your women's team drew 700 fans last week. That will bring your attendance up a little. That DI basketball excitement continues to grow. Dan you must really be obsessed with UND. Your are on here all the time. It's sure fun to see that Bison fans just can't can't get UND off their mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Bison Dan... UND consistently has more fans every year that attend the sports we offer than what NDSU has attending the sports they offer. Not bad considering you have three times the population we have. You better take care of your own problems before you start pointing fingers. I see your women's team drew 700 fans last week. That will bring your attendance up a little. That DI basketball excitement continues to grow. Dan you must really be obsessed with UND. Your are on here all the time. It's sure fun to see that Bison fans just can't can't get UND off their mind. It's always fun to see what's happening the Sioux world. (as seen through Sioux glasses) By the way that 700 would be 650 more than your womens hockey team. Have they won a game yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 It's easy to criticize something that you're not even in the game with. And the women have won at home and on the road this season. Step on the ice and see how it goes for you. No, wait. I thought hockey didn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sultan Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 Let's see Bison Dan.. UND women's hockey which hasn't drawn flies since the program started a little while ago or Bison women's basketball which used to almost fill the BSA not long ago. Bison Dan...the pattern I just illustrated should probably concern you Dan. When Bison women's basketball is only drawing 500 more fans than UND women's hockey I think you should probably be concerned. Like I said, Dan should probably be more concerned with NDSU's problems than UND. By the way , I loved hearing your ad for the the Bison women's game with New Jersey Tech YMCA team last week. I particularly love the part where it said BIG NAMES BIG GAMES. Your marketing department does make me laugh sometimes. It just makes me want to SCREAM YELLOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 By the way that 700 would be 650 more than your womens hockey team. NDSU WBB (home) v. IPFW: 736 UND WH (home) v. UM-Duluth: 247 "650" indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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