FBS Playoff Reform

[fightingsioux4life]

In light of the inclusion of two G5 teams to the CFP on Sunday (James Madison, Tulane) and the outrage of excluding Notre Dame, I have a pretty simple fix.

-Expand the field to 16 teams.

-Every conference gets one autobid. All other spots are at-large bids.

-Seed teams according to the CFP committee rankings 1-16.

-Top 8 teams host bottom 8 teams.

-No more byes for anyone. everyone has to win four games to win the title.

If we aren't willing to do this, we should just subdivide FBS (P4 and G5) and be done with it. It is lunacy to continue pretending that Ohio is at the same level as Ohio State.

[SIOUXFAN97]

already been fixed...just need big guys like the midget an madman to run with it.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1PG53bwd_jSULLtEU2LO0sU09Dd54coY1S1asvrPuvk0/edit?usp=sharing

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

already been fixed...just need big guys like the midget an madman to run with it.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1PG53bwd_jSULLtEU2LO0sU09Dd54coY1S1asvrPuvk0/edit?usp=sharing

Interesting.

[SIOUXFAN97]

9 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

In light of the inclusion of two G5 teams to the CFP on Sunday (James Madison, Tulane) and the outrage of excluding Notre Dame, I have a pretty simple fix.

-Expand the field to 16 teams.

-Every conference gets one autobid. All other spots are at-large bids.

-Seed teams according to the CFP committee rankings 1-16.

-Top 8 teams host bottom 8 teams.

-No more byes for anyone. everyone has to win four games to win the title.

If we aren't willing to do this, we should just subdivide FBS (P4 and G5) and be done with it. It is lunacy to continue pretending that Ohio is at the same level as Ohio State.

would the ncaa basketball tourney be better off with the top 68 teams in the country or the format that they have where conferences like summit and nec and big sky get auto bids....i know the answer bc march madess is just that....it's awesome baby!

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

would the ncaa basketball tourney be better off with the top 68 teams in the country or the format that they have where conferences like summit and nec and big sky get auto bids....i know the answer bc march madess is just that....it's awesome baby!

Either give the G5 auto-bids or subdivide FBS into two separate divisions (P4 and G5). Those are the two most viable options.

[SIOUXFAN97]

9 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Either give the G5 auto-bids or subdivide FBS into two separate divisions (P4 and G5). Those are the two most viable options.

there are no subdivisions in basketball?

once again...the manifesto is perfect....run with it ...need @Und Princess to do a vlog about it

[Shawn-O]

26 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

In light of the inclusion of two G5 teams to the CFP on Sunday (James Madison, Tulane) and the outrage of excluding Notre Dame, I have a pretty simple fix.

-Expand the field to 16 teams.

-Every conference gets one autobid. All other spots are at-large bids.

-Seed teams according to the CFP committee rankings 1-16.

-Top 8 teams host bottom 8 teams.

-No more byes for anyone. everyone has to win four games to win the title.

If we aren't willing to do this, we should just subdivide FBS (P4 and G5) and be done with it. It is lunacy to continue pretending that Ohio is at the same level as Ohio State.

Probably need to expand to 24 to accommodate all auto-bids otherwise I agree with all of this.  
 

With some many programs declining bowl bids the G5 is becoming less attractive by the minute.  

[fightingsioux4life]

7 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

there are no subdivisions in basketball?

once again...the manifesto is perfect....run with it ...need @Und Princess to do a vlog about it

Basketball is a much different sport. In basketball, you can build a good team around one or two guys. In football, you have to have good players at more than just one or two positions. This ensures that larger schools with larger budgets will always be light years ahead of everyone else. There is zero need for subdivisions in basketball. There is a definite need for it in football. The manifesto you shared is very interesting and might very well work. But the status quo is not sustainable in the long run and needs to change.

[fightingsioux4life]

13 minutes ago, Shawn-O said:

Probably need to expand to 24 to accommodate all auto-bids otherwise I agree with all of this.  
 

With some many programs declining bowl bids the G5 is becoming less attractive by the minute.  

24 is a little too large. 16 is a nice round number. I think there are nine conferences in FBS (PAC 12 is gone?). Seven at-large bids is more than enough.

[Shawn-O]

They’ll never go for 10 auto + 6. A G6 split would have a better chance of happening.  
 

I don’t think they’ll go for 10 auto + 14 at large but it’s fun to speculate. 

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, Shawn-O said:

They’ll never go for 10 auto + 6. A G6 split would have a better chance of happening.  

I guess I just don't like the idea of watering it down too much. 24 just feels like some of the crazy expansion ideas for March Madness.

[Shawn-O]

2 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I guess I just don't like the idea of watering it down too much. 24 just feels like some of the crazy expansion ideas for March Madness.

Give the G6 a second bid and make it 6 auto + 10 and I’d be good with that.  

[SIOUXFAN97]

13 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Basketball is a much different sport. In basketball, you can build a good team around one or two guys. In football, you have to have good players at more than just one or two positions. This ensures that larger schools with larger budgets will always be light years ahead of everyone else. There is zero need for subdivisions in basketball. There is a definite need for it in football. The manifesto you shared is very interesting and might very well work. But the status quo is not sustainable in the long run and needs to change.

no need for subdivsions in basketball?  were you at the betty on saturday night?

[Und Princess]

40 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

there are no subdivisions in basketball?

once again...the manifesto is perfect....run with it ...need @Und Princess to do a vlog about it

Sure will soon.

[fightingsioux4life]

26 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

no need for subdivsions in basketball?  were you at the betty on saturday night?

There are always some horribly managed programs in every sport. Unfortunately, we've had some extensive experience in that department since moving up to Division I.

[fightingsioux4life]

32 minutes ago, Shawn-O said:

Give the G6 a second bid and make it 6 auto + 10 and I’d be good with that.  

That might work.

[Big Green]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

In light of the inclusion of two G5 teams to the CFP on Sunday (James Madison, Tulane) and the outrage of excluding Notre Dame, I have a pretty simple fix.

-Expand the field to 16 teams.

-Every conference gets one autobid. All other spots are at-large bids.

-Seed teams according to the CFP committee rankings 1-16.

-Top 8 teams host bottom 8 teams.

-No more byes for anyone. everyone has to win four games to win the title.

If we aren't willing to do this, we should just subdivide FBS (P4 and G5) and be done with it. It is lunacy to continue pretending that Ohio is at the same level as Ohio State.

Nothing in wrong with the way it is now.  Notre Dame needs to stop thinking they are something special.  They need to either join a conference like every other team or deal with the fact you might be left out.  They did it to themselves.  The G5 Schools have a chance to make the Tourney now as the top 5 conference winners get in.  Just need to be the top G5 School.  There are 7 At large bids.  If you are not one of those you are not good enough or deserving enough to be in the tourney.  

Only thing I might do in bring back the old BCS ranking to be used everyone know where they stand.  But what make College Football so popular is also what makes it suck.  When teams are left out everyone is talking about College football and why there team should be in.  Controversy drives ratings.

 

 

[Big Green]

34 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

no need for subdivsions in basketball?  were you at the betty on saturday night?

UND has never been and will never be a D1 Basketball School.  People only have enough time and money and it is allocated to Hockey.  I'm at the point that we need to do the very minimum for Basketball as it doesn't matter at UND.  It only worked at the D2 level because only 6K could go to hockey, your don't have to paid and Arm and Leg to get Hockey season tickets, Road games were not on TV and most of the D2 Opponents were within travel distance with games on Friday and Saturday night.

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 minute ago, Big Green said:

UND has never been and will never be a D1 Basketball School.  People only have enough time and money and it is allocated to Hockey.  I'm at the point that we need to do the very minimum for Basketball as it doesn't matter at UND.  It only worked at the D2 level because only 6K could go to hockey, your don't have to paid and Arm and Leg to get Hockey season tickets, Road games were not on TV and most of the D2 Opponents were within travel distance with games on Friday and Saturday night.

 

yep....but there is only one level of basketball as it should be....there is always the nsic.

d1 football should be no different and my manifesto is the fix everyone is looking for in d1 football.......win your in....easy.

[Shawn-O]

7 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

yep....but there is only one level of basketball as it should be....there is always the nsic.

d1 football should be no different and my manifesto is the fix everyone is looking for in d1 football.......win your in....easy.

Link to said manifesto please!  

[cberkas]

It’s the doc at the top

[SIOUXFAN97]

7 minutes ago, Shawn-O said:

Link to said manifesto please!  

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1PG53bwd_jSULLtEU2LO0sU09Dd54coY1S1asvrPuvk0/edit?usp=sharing

7 minutes ago, Shawn-O said:

Link to said manifesto please!  

 

[gfhockey]

Being on the games

[JohnboyND7]

2 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

In light of the inclusion of two G5 teams to the CFP on Sunday (James Madison, Tulane) and the outrage of excluding Notre Dame, I have a pretty simple fix.

-Expand the field to 16 teams.

-Every conference gets one autobid. All other spots are at-large bids.

-Seed teams according to the CFP committee rankings 1-16.

-Top 8 teams host bottom 8 teams.

-No more byes for anyone. everyone has to win four games to win the title.

If we aren't willing to do this, we should just subdivide FBS (P4 and G5) and be done with it. It is lunacy to continue pretending that Ohio is at the same level as Ohio State.

This aint happening. They aren't going to give the G6 40% of the playoff field nor should they. 

[JohnboyND7]

59 minutes ago, Big Green said:

Nothing in wrong with the way it is now.  Notre Dame needs to stop thinking they are something special.  They need to either join a conference like every other team or deal with the fact you might be left out.  They did it to themselves.  The G5 Schools have a chance to make the Tourney now as the top 5 conference winners get in.  Just need to be the top G5 School.  There are 7 At large bids.  If you are not one of those you are not good enough or deserving enough to be in the tourney.  

Only thing I might do in bring back the old BCS ranking to be used everyone know where they stand.  But what make College Football so popular is also what makes it suck.  When teams are left out everyone is talking about College football and why there team should be in.  Controversy drives ratings.

 

 

Notre Dame didn't really do it to themselves. On Tuesday, they were told (along with the rest of America) that they were in. On Sunday, they were told that they were not...even though nothing changed in that time. The committee made it clear in the past few weeks that they had directly compared ND with Miami and that Notre Dame was their selection. Frankly, I think the only reason they aren't in is because Virginia lost to Duke, and the committee was afraid of leaving out a "P4" conference entirely.

Now did they lose games they coulda shoulda won? Sure. Agreed on that 100%. But make no mistake, this exposed a really major flaw in the system.