HockeyHawk Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 It sounds like with the dismissal of Coach Mo there has been some former coaches beginning to band together due to all the dismissals in the women's programs as opposed to the men's and it is going to Armacost and the media. Former head coaches of women's sports that have details of how Chaves happily fires coaches on the women's side of athletics but not the men's and also preferential treatment to men's coaches and programs. One of these former coaches has already spoken to the Herald and there seems to be some digging going on around the programs. More details to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Coaching (hire/fire) decisions would fall under employment law not Title IX (sex based discrimination), wouldn't they? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD UND Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 wow, Motherwell is quite something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: Coaching (hire/fire) decisions would fall under employment law not Title IX (sex based discrimination), wouldn't they? I believe so. Wikipedia says the Title IX does not apply to people employed at schools. That makes me wonder what happens if/when the athletes are considered employees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsFan03 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Coach Mo & others may have some valid points. A couple men's coaches have gotten some very head scratching extensions while it seems like the women's coaches get the boot pretty quickly. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 31 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said: I believe so. Wikipedia says the Title IX does not apply to people employed at schools. That makes me wonder what happens if/when the athletes are considered employees? Do I hear the Law of Unintended Consequences howling in the distance? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD UND Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 1 hour ago, HoopsFan03 said: Coach Mo & others may have some valid points. A couple men's coaches have gotten some very head scratching extensions while it seems like the women's coaches get the boot pretty quickly. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. So did Chaves fire Motherwell, Bledsoe, and the other assistant... or did Coach Bernhard make staff changes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 47 minutes ago, SD UND said: So did Chaves fire Motherwell, Bledsoe, and the other assistant... or did Coach Bernhard make staff changes Agreed, this is up to the head coach not the AD unless another incidents took place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodakvindy Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 5 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: Coaching (hire/fire) decisions would fall under employment law not Title IX (sex based discrimination), wouldn't they? Would guess it depends on who is filing. Not sure a coach could file the Title IX complaint on an individual firing, but team members potential could if there was a pattern of activity that created instability for women's sports that wasn't happening on the mens side. That seems like it could be pretty difficult to prove, but long shot lawsuits are certainly not rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodGood Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 3 minutes ago, FSSD said: Agreed, this is up to the head coach not the AD unless another incidents took place. Initial post claims that there has also been preferential treatment to men’s coaches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD UND Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 37 minutes ago, GoodGood said: Initial post claims that there has also been preferential treatment to men’s coaches Don't think they would have much to stand on here as there has been WBB HC change within 5 years and Volleyball recently- not sure on other sports Plus these are assistants that were presumably fired or non renewed by the HC not the AD or University Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD UND Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Also- Mallory signed an extension through 25-26 so that hurts their "case" as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewUndFan Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 She also won only 2 games as interim coach and got the head coaching job. Hasnt really done much in the mean time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyHawk Posted May 31 Author Share Posted May 31 9 hours ago, HoopsFan03 said: Coach Mo & others may have some valid points. A couple men's coaches have gotten some very head scratching extensions while it seems like the women's coaches get the boot pretty quickly. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. In recent years the firings of head coaches have all been on the women's side. Basketball, Volleyball, Golf. Additionally, most of the firings of assistants have occurred in women's sports. How many firings have happened with men's programs despite the poor performances? Chaves is responsible for the firing of head coaches no doubt. The interesting aspect of this is how several former head coaches are coming together to take this complaint forwards. One other issue is that Chaves and more recently the new SWA are strong arming head coaches of women's sports to axe their assistants but won't do the same with the men's sports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 22 minutes ago, HockeyHawk said: In recent years the firings of head coaches have all been on the women's side. Basketball, Volleyball, Golf. Additionally, most of the firings of assistants have occurred in women's sports. How many firings have happened with men's programs despite the poor performances? Chaves is responsible for the firing of head coaches no doubt. The interesting aspect of this is how several former head coaches are coming together to take this complaint forwards. One other issue is that Chaves and more recently the new SWA are strong arming head coaches of women's sports to axe their assistants but won't do the same with the men's sports. Can you please give us a rundown of the records of the programs that have had firings and those on the men’s side that you think should have followed suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux24/7 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 30 minutes ago, tnt said: Can you please give us a rundown of the records of the programs that have had firings and those on the men’s side that you think should have followed suit. Yeah I’d like to know this as well. A few that I looked up: Volleyball Jeremy Tiffin (fired) - 15-63 Mark Pryor (resigned) - 117-58 Basketball Travis Brewster (fired) - 128-120 I admittedly don’t follow the other sports very closely and also not that familiar with the assistants in most sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 11 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: Do I hear the Law of Unintended Consequences howling in the distance? I don't know enough about whether that's completely accurate, but if it is...I'm sure the folks pushing it are aware and simply don't care. It's basically revenue sports pushing for money/a piece of the pie. I can't imagine they really care about women's athletics enough to give up the money they think they'll get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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