Aviation Call Sign

[Frozen4sioux]

If you think the SiouxForever faction of Hockey fans at the Ralph where the most fiercely loyal proponents of the Sioux name....

You haven't met the pilots from the Aerospace dept yet.

[The Sicatoka]

Seems like the decision is made based on the memo from Dean Kraus, specifically: 

" ... had already begun the process of ... seeking approval of a new one ..."

" ... waiting for release of one from another organization and if/when that happens, we will file the appropriate paperwork for approval." 

My guess is it'll still take a while.
Probably have to route the paperwork through like Swaziland or something.  

[SWSiouxMN]

How hard is it to change a call signal? 

 

[Siouxperfan7]

7 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

How hard is it to change a call signal? 

 

Committe's are being formed as we speak!!

[The Sicatoka]

12 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

How hard is it to change a call signal? 

It involves the FAA and ICAO. <-- Two bureaucracies. What could go wrong?  

The only way it could get "better" is if it involved the IRS and DMV.  

[SWSiouxMN]

13 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

It involves the FAA and ICAO. <-- Two bureaucracies. What could go wrong?  

The only way it could get "better" is if it involved the IRS and DMV.  

Say no more, 

that's going to take years.

[BigGreyAnt41]

38 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

How hard is it to change a call signal? 

 

Few organizations work slower than the FAA, so there is that.  

The main thing is, it's not just a matter of telling everybody to use a different call sign and being done with it.  It's not just the controllers in Grand Forks that need to know about it.  It's literally every controller across the entire National Airspace System.  UND planes fly everywhere so all controllers nationwide need to recognize what "Sioux 32" means, for example.  

[Hammersmith]

12 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Seems like the decision is made based on the memo from Dean Kraus, specifically: 

" ... had already begun the process of ... seeking approval of a new one ..."

" ... waiting for release of one from another organization and if/when that happens, we will file the appropriate paperwork for approval." 

My guess is it'll still take a while.
Probably have to route the paperwork through like Swaziland or something.  

Sounds like the one they have in mind is already registered and in use by somebody else, but that they might be willing to give it up to UND. 

 

The process:

Step 1: Determine preferred new call sign. (completed - choice unknown)

Step 2: Determine if preferred call sign is currently in use. If yes, proceed to Step 3. If no, proceed to Step 5. (completed - it is already in use)

Step 3: Contact holder of preferred call sign to get them to release use to UND. (pending)

Step 4: If Step 3 succeeds, proceed to Step 5. If it fails, return to Step 1.

Step 5: Apply for FAA approval of new call sign.

Step 6: Report new call sign to ICAO.

Step 7: Begin use of new call sign.

 

[The Sicatoka]

10 hours ago, Hammersmith said:

Sounds like the one they have in mind is already registered and in use by somebody else, but that they might be willing to give it up to UND. 

 

The process:

Step 1: Determine preferred new call sign. (completed - choice unknown)

Step 2: Determine if preferred call sign is currently in use. If yes, proceed to Step 3. If no, proceed to Step 5. (completed - it is already in use)

Step 3: Contact holder of preferred call sign to get them to release use to UND. (pending)

Step 4: If Step 3 succeeds, proceed to Step 5. If it fails, return to Step 1.

Step 5: Apply for FAA approval of new call sign.

Step 6: Report new call sign to ICAO.

Step 7: Begin use of new call sign.

 

That's exactly how the Dean's memo reads. 

[Vegas_Sioux]

On 9/8/2022 at 10:18 AM, BigGreyAnt41 said:

Few organizations work slower than the FAA, so there is that.  

The main thing is, it's not just a matter of telling everybody to use a different call sign and being done with it.  It's not just the controllers in Grand Forks that need to know about it.  It's literally every controller across the entire National Airspace System.  UND planes fly everywhere so all controllers nationwide need to recognize what "Sioux 32" means, for example.  

Exactly it means hey heads up this guy is new. So need be prepared for anything. 

[Hammersmith]

For lack of a better place to put this...

 

If you enjoy aviation, blancolirio should be on your short list of aviation YouTube channels(along with Mentour Pilot and maybe 74 Gear). Juan recently did a video interview with the pilot of a dead stick landing that took place in fog onto a Pacific beach near Watsonville, CA last month. The pilot was a UND aviation grad and had a couple nice things to say about the program and how it helped him in what could have been a really, really, really bad situation.