jk Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 2003-04 NHL Central Scouting "Preliminary Ranking" - US Colleges - Nov. '03 Players Team League Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT 1 STAFFORD, Drew North Dakota WCHA 30-Oct-85 6'1 1/2 202 C/W R 2 PINEAULT, Adam Boston College H-East 23-May-86 6'1 193 RW R 3 O'NEILL, Wes Notre Dame CCHA 3-Mar-86 6'4 200 D L 4 THELEN, A.J. Michigan State CCHA 11-Mar-86 6'3 205 D L 5 BOOTH, David Michigan State CCHA 24-Nov-84 6'0 1/2 212 LW L 6 HENSICK, T.J. Michigan CCHA 10-Dec-85 5'9 180 C R 7 OLVER, Darin Northern Michigan CCHA 5-Mar-85 6'0 165 C L 8 LUNDIN, Mike Maine H-East 24-Sep-84 6'2 180 D L 9 BORER, Casey St. Cloud State WCHA 28-Jul-85 6'2 197 D L 10 SIGALET, Jonathan Bowling Green CCHA 12-Feb-86 6'1 170 D L 11 BIRNSTILL, Steve Northeastern H-East 6-Nov-85 6'2 185 D L 12 DOWELL, Jacob Wisconsin WCHA 4-Mar-85 6'0 195 C L 13 EARL, Robert Wisconsin WCHA 2-Jun-85 5'10 1/2 184 LW L 14 COLLINS, Dustin Northern Michigan CCHA 28-Feb-85 6'3 196 LW L 15 CAREFOOT, Mitch Cornell ECAC 2-Jan-85 6'1 209 C R 16 CIRULLO, Bryan Northeastern H-East 19-Feb-85 6'1 185 D L 17 WINNIK, Daniel New Hampshire H-East 6-Mar-85 6'2 210 C L 18 LIKENS, Jeff Wisconsin WCHA 28-Aug-85 5'10 163 D R 19 IHNACAK, Brian Brown ECAC 10-Apr-85 5'11 1/2 178 C R 20 SCHAEFFER, Kevin Boston University H-East 16-Oct-84 6'1 185 D R 21 CHRISTIE, Matt Miami-Ohio CCHA 22-Feb-85 5'10 185 C R 22 CARON, Jeff Merrimack H-East 7-Dec-85 6'2 175 D L 23 MOLE, Shawn Yale ECAC 28-Mar-85 6'0 185 D L 24 JOHNSON, Keith Maine H-East 21-Oct-84 5'10 177 C R 25 WILSON, Kyle Colgate ECAC 15-Dec-84 6'0 200 C L 26 HUNWICK, Matt Michigan CCHA 21-May-85 5'10 1/2 187 D L 27 SMYTH, Ryan Colgate ECAC 6-Nov-84 6'2 210 RW R 28 AQUINO, Luciano Maine H-East 26-Jan-85 5'10 175 C L 29 HEATLEY, Mark Wisconsin WCHA 4-May-84 6'3 195 RW L 30 WATER, Ben Mass-Lowell H-East 11-May-84 6'1 195 C L 31 COOPER, Joe Miami-Ohio CCHA 6-Jul-85 6'0 200 RW R 32 SULLIVAN, Ryan Merrimack H-East 7-Aug-85 6'2 180 D L 33 BOUCHARD, Olivier Union ECAC 2-Mar-84 6'3 195 LW L 34 WESTGARTH, Kevin Princeton ECAC 7-Feb-84 6'4 235 LW L 35 ZABKOWICZ, Tom Maine H-East 9-Nov-84 6'0 175 D R Goaltenders Team League Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT 1 MONTOYA, Alvaro Michigan CCHA 13-Feb-85 6'1 190 G L 2 BROWN, David Notre Dame CCHA 11-Feb-85 6'0 185 G L 3 LUKER, Bryce Michigan Tech WCHA 25-Mar-85 6'3 190 G L 4 HARTLEY, Steve Miami-Ohio CCHA 15-Oct-85 6'1 190 G L 5 VICARI, Dominic Michigan State CCHA 30-Oct-84 5'9 1/2 184 G L "LIMITED VIEWING" Team League Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT ALEXIOU, Michael Merrimack H-East 10-Sep-85 6'2 210 LW L BRUNKHORST, John Colorado College WCHA 9-Feb-85 6'1 195 C R CORBIN, J.D. Denver WCHA 23-Mar-85 5'10 185 C/W L EIZENMAN, Oren Rensselaer ECAC 27-Mar-85 6'0 175 C L JARVIS, Rob Dartmouth ECAC 26-Jan-85 6'2 190 D L KOLANOS, Mark New Hampshire H-East 15-Oct-84 6'1 185 RW R LEWIS, Grant Dartmouth ECAC 20-Jan-85 6'3 190 D R MAKI, Ryan Harvard ECAC 23-Apr-85 6'2 193 RW R MAHRLE, Ryan W. Michigan CCHA 8-Feb-85 5'11 175 D R MCGREGOR, Bryan Minn-Duluth WCHA 27-Jun-84 5'11 192 C R MURRAY, Chris New Hampshire H-East 26-Dec-84 6'1 180 D R SALCIDO, Brian Colorado College WCHA 14-Apr-85 6'1 185 D L SELDEN, Bobby Northern Michigan CCHA 30-Jan-85 6'1 198 D L SZCZECHURA, Paul W. Michigan CCHA 30-Nov-85 5'11 175 C R THAUWALD, Scott Colorado College WCHA 26-Oct-84 5'11 185 LW L Goaltenders Team League Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT SAMUEL, Sean Dartmouth ECAC 24-Feb-85 6'1 190 G L --------------------------- The late 85s and 86s (including Stafford and five of the top six) would lose their NCAA eligibility if they were to opt in to the 2004 draft. The career path for these elite players if they opt in would probably be: Opt in to the draft, losing NCAA eligibility, and be drafted. Play the next one or two years in Canadian major juniors. On to the NHL. Alternatively, they could wait until the 2005 draft and retain their full college eligibility. Montoya was in the same boat last year and chose to not enter the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 When Hennessy interviewed Drew last weekend, did it sound like he was thinking about opting in? I couldn't really figure it out. I don't think he will, but what do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 When Hennessy interviewed Drew last weekend, did it sound like he was thinking about opting in? I couldn't really figure it out. I don't think he will, but what do I know? It is always a thought in his mind, but I dont think he will. if hell freezes over and he lasts all four years, it'll make him 21 when he graduates. That being said, even ZP would be 22 if he stayed all four years. In any case, I don't think anyone's leaving early unless things in the NHL start looking better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoteauRinkRat Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 These guys will be staying around. With the NHL situation next year, it won't be worth it to go to the NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 I agree with CRR. Stafford will probably opt in the next year after next because there (I dont' care what Don Cherry Says) The players and the owners are miles appart. Some of these kids are going to be around one more year at least. Which I think UND wins in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U2Bad1 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 I agree with CRR. Stafford will probably opt in the next year after next because there (I dont' care what Don Cherry Says) The players and the owners are miles appart. Some of these kids are going to be around one more year at least. Which I think UND wins in that situation. This may be selfish thinking but i sure hope so. UND could lose a lot in the next couple of years due to graduation and early defection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoteauRinkRat Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Stafford is still very young and needs to develop physically and mentally before he is even close to leaving, that is why i'm not really worried about him right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Everyone is agreeing with CRR when I said it in the post previous. Gosh, I think the Mapletoft thing really did impact how much Im listened too I wonder how things will turn up next year if this agreement isn't reached and there is a strike. I mean, no one will leave the college ranks and with our peeps already coming in, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Here is the USHL and High School Rankings. Good to see Beaverson up there. "A" Players (USHL) Team Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT Committed DEY, Nate Green Bay 14-Feb-85 6'1 190 RW R St. Cloud MAY, Tom Des Moines 24-Apr-85 6'2 1/2 209 RW R Denver ORESKOVICH, Victor Green Bay 15-Aug-86 6'2 1/2 216 RW R Notre Dame PELTIER, Derek Cedar Rapids 14-Mar-85 5'11 188 D L Minnesota RANKIN, Evan Lincoln 28-Mar-86 6'1 180 RW R STASTNY, Paul River City 27-Oct-85 5'11 1/2 190 C L YAWORSKI, Blair Sioux City 20-Sep-85 6'2 195 C L Yale "B" Players (USHL) Team Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT Committed BEAVERSON, Luke Green Bay 11-Dec-84 6'3 1/2 208 D L North Dakota CURRY, Mike Sioux City 20-Sep-84 6'3 190 RW R DINGLE, John Tri-City 24-May-84 6'0 204 RW R Ohio State FARRELL, Rory Des Moines 6-Jun-86 6'1 1/2 198 D L FORNATARO, Matt Waterloo 26-Jun-85 5'11 188 C R New Hampshire GLOBKE, Jon Sioux Falls 10-Nov-85 6'3 1/2 220 D/F L HAZELWOOD, Jeff Green Bay 24-Jul-85 5'11 168 LW L Maine JONES, Matt Green Bay 13-Jan-86 6'3 194 RW R KLUBERTANZ, Kyle Green Bay 23-Sep-85 5'11 1/2 173 D R Wisconsin LUCYK, Luke Tri-City 18-Feb-86 6'0 186 D L Notre Dame MCILVANE, Matt Chicago 2-Nov-85 5'11 1/2 204 C/W R Ohio State MOLLE, Dustin Waterloo 24-Nov-85 6'1 218 D R OBERMEYER, Jake Tri-City 9-Jan-85 6'0 170 D R Michigan Tech PATROSSO, Derek Danville 23-Oct-84 6'0 186 LW L Colorado College THOMAS, Andrew Waterloo 14-Nov-85 6'2 196 D R TUZZOLINO, Nick Lincoln 19-Jan-86 6'5 228 D R VADNAIS, John Waterloo 7-Apr-86 6'0 186 D R VENARD, Dan Green Bay 5-Oct-85 5'11/12 175 D R Notre Dame VOKES, Matt Cedar Rapids 3-Sep-85 6'0 180 RW R WAGNER, Steve Tri-City 6-Mar-84 6'2 190 D L Mankato ZARB, Chris Tri-City 11-Jan-85 6'4 176 D R "B" Goaltenders (USHL) Team Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT Committed FALLON, Joe Cedar Rapids 1-Feb-85 6'3 190 G L D'ALBA, Adam Chicago 23-Sep-85 6'0 1/2 163 G L Brown MANNINO, Peter Tri-City 17-Feb-84 6'0 195 G L Denver SPRATT, Jimmy Sioux City 10-Nov-85 6'0 180 G L VARDY, Craig Sioux Falls 7-Apr-84 6'4 226 G L 2003-04 NHL Central Scouting "Preliminary Ranking" - USHL Players - Nov. '03 cont'd...... "LIMITED VIEWING" (USHL) Team Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT Committed BEAUCHAMP, Brett Danville 6-Feb-86 6'0 200 D L BECK, Mike Danville 10-Apr-86 6'0 200 D R BOLL, Jared Lincoln 13-May-86 6'1 1/2 178 RW R DREWISKE, Davis Des Moines 22-Nov-84 6'1 209 D L ENGEL, Josh Green Bay 7-Jul-84 6'3 188 D L **GARRITY, Sean Green Bay 23-Jul-85 6'0 200 C/W L St. Cloud GURCIK, Pavol Sioux City 21-Jan-85 6'1 192 D L HANSON, Christian Tri-City 10-Mar-86 6'3 186 RW R SALIJI, Samir Des Moines 3-Mar-84 6'0 1/2 200 LW L VANWAGNER, Mike Chicago 25-Feb-86 6'0 1/2 200 D R **due to illness - out with mononucleosis Goaltenders (USHL) Team Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT Committed DAVENPORT, Troy Green Bay 5-Jan-85 5'10 1/2 150 G L DRAGO, A.J. Cedar Rapids 9-Mar-86 5'11 185 G L 2003-04 NHL Central Scouting "Preliminary Ranking" - USHSW A & B Players - Nov. '03 "A" Players (USHSW) Team Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT Committed ENGASSER, Will Blake 25-Sep-85 6'1 224 LW L Yale PAGE, Rob Blake 9-Jul-85 6'1 1/2 188 D R Yale WHEELER, Blake Breck 31-Aug-86 6'3 1/2 185 RW R WYMAN, J.T. Blake 27-Feb-86 6'1 180 C/W R Dartmouth "B" Players (USHSW) Team Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT Committed ANDERSON, R.J. Centennial 16-Jul-86 5'11 1/2 180 D R AXTELL, Philip Marquette 13-Aug-86 6'5 245 LW L Michigan Tech CARLSON, Jeff Richfield 19-May-86 6'2 185 D L CHRISTIANSEN, Jeff Univ. School of Milwaukee 13-Jul-86 6'0 190 C/W R DOWNEY, Jesse Silver Bay 7-Jul-86 6'2 175 D R FISHER, Drew International Falls 6-Feb-86 6'2 175 LW L FRIESEN, Blake Benilde/St. Margaret's 4-Jun-85 6'0 1/2 178 D R St. Cloud GIFFORD, Brian Moorhead 12-Nov-85 6'1 173 C L GOROWSKY, Tom Centennial 8-Apr-86 5'11 1/2 182 C L GREER, Matt White Bear Lake 21-Nov-05 6'1 183 RW R GUNDERSON, Ryan Mahtemedi 11-Feb-86 6'1 1/2 167 LW L HILLEN, Jack Holy Angels 24-Jan-86 5'9 1/2 180 D R Colorado College HUMMEL, Jared Holy Angels 15-May-86 6'3 176 D L SORTEBERG, Matt Anoka 2-Mar-86 5'11 1/2 159 D R "B" Goaltender (USHSW) Team Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT Committed LUNDIN, Matt Apple Valley 1-May-86 5'11 1/2 165 G L 2003-04 NHL Central Scouting "Preliminary Ranking" - USHSE A & B Players - Nov. '03 "A" Players (USHSE) Team Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT Committed AIELLO, Anthony Thayer Academy 19-May-86 6'2 187 D L Boston College 2005 BAIER, Paul Deerfield Academy 2-Feb-85 6'3 212 D R Brown BERRY, Alex Cushing Academy 6-Mar-86 6'2 190 RW R BOURQUE, Chris Cushing Academy 29-Jan-86 5'7 1/2 170 C L Boston Univ. GREENE, Matt BC High 5-Dec-85 5'9 170 LW L Boston College KOZIARA, Kyle Cushing Academy 26-Jun-86 6'4 1/2 212 D R MCGUIRK, Brian Governor Dummer 11-Jul-85 5'11 1/2 191 LW L Boston Univ. MILNAMOW, Brendan Taft 17-Jan-86 6'3 176 D L RYAN, Billy Cushing Academy 23-Oct-85 5'11 1/2 153 C L YANDLE, Keith Cushing Academy 9-Sep-86 6'2 177 D L "A" Goaltender (USHSE) Team Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT Committed SCHNEIDER, Cory Phillips-Andover 18-Mar-86 6'2 195 G L Boston College 2005 "B" Players (USHSE) Team Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT Committed AMURAWAIYE, Femi Holderness 27-Jan-86 6'0 176 D L ARCIERO, Michael Avon Old Farms 1-Nov-85 6'1 211 RW R BERGAN, Dan Deerfield Academy 2-Mar-85 6'1 195 RW R BOARDMAN, Will Deerfield Academy 18-Feb-85 6'3 191 D R BURNS, John Tabor Academy 24-Jan-85 6'3 200 D L COSKREN, Nick St. Sebastian's 25-Feb-86 5'10 1/2 177 C R COX, Dylan Phillips-Exeter 24-Mar-85 6'3 190 LW L Providence D'AGOSTINO, Sam Cushing Academy 15-Jul-86 6'0 190 LW L Mass-Amherst 2005 EWING, Bryan Cushing Academy 23-Nov-85 5'10 165 C R Boston Univ. FRITCH, Arthur St. Sebastian's 23-Apr-85 6'2 205 D R GALE, Andrew Phillips-Exeter 28-Nov-85 6'5 205 D R GALLAGHER, Brian Governor Dummer 8-Jan-85 6'3 205 RW R GERMAIN, Matt Northfield/Mt. Hermon 6-Apr-86 6'0 185 C L HIGGINS, Chris Pingree 30-Apr-86 5'10 152 C R JOHNSON, Todd Taft 1-Aug-85 6'3 185 RW R Brown JILLSON, Nicholas Mount St. Charles 25-Dec-85 6'0 190 D L KESSLER, Kevin Cushing Academy 28-Oct-85 6'3 205 D R MALLOY, Dan Northwood Prep 18-Feb-85 6'2 192 RW R MONAGHAN, Ryan Northfield-Mt. Hermon 30-May-85 6'4 210 D R MCCABE, Joe Taft 21-Apr-85 6'1 182 D R MCCLELLAN, Stephen Catholic Memorial 22-Apr-85 6'0 1/2 163 D L MCDAVITT, Phil Noble & Greenough 1-Feb-85 5'11 190 D R MITCHELL, Torrey Hotchkiss 30-Jan-85 5'11 175 C L Vermont NELSON, Matt Noble & Greenough 8-Jan-86 5'10 187 C R NORTON, Pierce Thayer Academy 7-Jun-85 6'2 195 RW R O'CONNELL, Greg Belmont Hill 21-Dec-84 6'1 170 C R POLI, Christopher Noble & Greenough 1-Aug-85 6'0 200 LW L Brown POLLASTRONE, Gerald Salisbury 10-Mar-86 5'10 180 LW L New Hampshire 2005 QUIRK, Cory Catholic Memorial 3-Jul-86 5'10 165 LW L THOMPSON, Alan Holderness 28-Sep-84 5'11 1/2 180 C L New Hampshire 2005 "B" Goaltenders (USHSE) Team Birthdate HT WT POS SHOT Committed GROSSMAN, Joe BC High 10-Sep-85 5'10 160 G L LONGO, Keith Cushing Academy 19-Jun-85 5'10 165 G L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoteauRinkRat Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Everyone is agreeing with CRR when I said it in the post previous. Gosh, I think the Mapletoft thing really did impact how much Im listened too I wonder how things will turn up next year if this agreement isn't reached and there is a strike. I mean, no one will leave the college ranks and with our peeps already coming in, who knows. Oh, quit whining, RW77, your post has been read and noted. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 This may be selfish thinking but i sure hope so. UND could lose a lot in the next couple of years due to graduation and early defection. Hopefully this will be after UND wins a couple of NCAA titles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 When Hennessy interviewed Drew last weekend, did it sound like he was thinking about opting in? Yes. Yes it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diggler Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Well I could figure out for myself that it might not be a good idea for Drew to opt in if there won't be an NHL next year. I was hoping for insight. At least dagies gave it. The rest of you should be ashamed of yourselves. And RW77, quit your complaining, you little weenie. You've have no credibility on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoggy Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 I counted four Wisconsin players on the College list. Not sure how well those players are doing. I guess Wisco could be losing a lot to the NHL as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Yes. Yes it did. This is disconcerting. Stafford is under-age for this year's draft which is why he would have to "opt-in." Under-age players who opt-in to the draft after enrolling in college lose their remaining eligibility. Bizzarely, players can opt-in before enrolling without losing eligibility. Only the NCAA could come up with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 I counted four Wisconsin players on the College list. Not sure how well those players are doing. I guess Wisco could be losing a lot to the NHL as well. Wisconsin has a very talented freshman class with several young guys that haven't been drafted yet. None of the Badgers in this draft class would seem to be likely candidates to turn pro any time soon. Ryan Suter on the other hand, could be a one-year Badger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwing77 Posted November 26, 2003 Share Posted November 26, 2003 Diggler- Look who's talking What would most likely happen with someone like Drew if he opted in would be what may very well happen to Marc-Andre Fleury. Drew would get drafted by a team, lose his NC$$ eligibility and be assigned to major juniors. M-A Fleury hasn't been assigned back to his team, but it is a definite possibility. It wouldn't make sense at all for Drew or anyone for that matter to leave early for the NHL after this season if they don't have an agreement. I mean, it would be hurry up and wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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