ScottM Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 The day the settlement was announced Goetz talked about a "fundamental change in public policy" (or words to that effect) on this issue. Goetz was the NDUS Chancellor at the time, having just previously been Gov. Hoeven's chief of staff. Given that, you know the change had to come from the highest levels in Bismarck. The fix was in right there. Apparently Al Carlson didn't get the memo. Even though settlement discussions are "off the record" and may not be introduced into evidence in most cases, I suspect they probably went like this. UND: We want the same deal Florida State, Utah, etc. got, namely one tribe's approval. NC$$: No. UND: Why not? NC$$: You're a D2 school, and they're not. UND: So? We're planning to go D1. NC$$: Not with that name, you're not! UND: Why? NC$$: Because we said so, and we can make the rules, and change them, to suit our agenda. UND: That sucks, dude! NC$$: Tough shiat. If you want to go D1 without any flak from us, you need two tribes' approval. Anything less won't do. UND: Oh,. okay. But you won't interfere in our dealings with the tribes, right? NC$$: Of course not. (*whispers under breath* Member conferences are another story) /smiles/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 ... I suspect they probably went like this. Are you sure that isn't the actual transcript? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Even though settlement discussions are "off the record" and may not be introduced into evidence in most cases, I suspect they probably went like this. UND: We want the same deal Florida State, Utah, etc. got, namely one tribe's approval. NC$$: No. UND: Why not? NC$$: You're a D2 school, and they're not. UND: So? We're planning to go D1. NC$$: Not with that name, you're not! UND: Why? NC$$: Because we said so, and we can make the rules, and change them, to suit our agenda. UND: That sucks, dude! NC$$: Tough shiat. If you want to go D1 without any flak from us, you need two tribes' approval. Anything less won't do. UND: Oh,. okay. But you won't interfere in our dealings with the tribes, right? NC$$: Of course not. (*whispers under breath* Member conferences are another story) /smiles/ ++++++++++++++++ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkster Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Higher math and logic obviously isn't your forte. BTW 2^5 == 32. (That will go way over your head, so why try.) Excuse Kelley all you want - the emails to the NCAA and the conversation with Emmert the day before the press release, Douple's accusation, in your pinheaded mind, Kelley will always be heroic. Anything to rid UND of the Sioux name, or Alice Hofferth, is entirely ethically justifiable as far as your ethics go. The only reason Kelley isn't out of his job is because Kelley can implicate a whole lot of people - Hoeven, Goetz, the SBoHE - in the deal that the people were never supposed to hear about: the Sioux nickname was always a target among the political establishment. The lawsuit settlement was always a sham. The political establishment underestimated the people: it never dreamed that Spirit Lake would come through or that Carlson would take action. The political establishment - now mainly Hoeven - can't afford for the real truth to come out. That's why Schafer had to come out today against further state action against the nickname: the moderate Republicans don't want Kelley to implicate Hoeven in the whole nickname charade that was played by the SBoHE and Goetz. Hoeven's repuation has to be protected, so the nickname has to go. The people of North Dakota, be it Spirit Lake, Standing Rock, or the general population never had a choice in this matter. Hoeven, Conrad, Pomeroy, Dorgan, and the SBoHE preordained that the nickname effort would fail. Those leaders are the true villains in this tale, not just Kelley. I have to ask, do you REALLY believe all the conspiracy junk that you toss out here? No one can be that delusional to actually think the whole world is against us, or maybe against you. Get real. This whole fiasco has been too political from day one, and you keep chucking up new, unsubstantiated accusations. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 The only reason Kelley isn't out of his job is because Kelley can implicate a whole lot of people - Hoeven, Goetz, the SBoHE - in the deal that the people were never supposed to hear about: the Sioux nickname was always a target among the political establishment. The lawsuit settlement was always a sham. The political establishment underestimated the people: it never dreamed that Spirit Lake would come through or that Carlson would take action. The political establishment - now mainly Hoeven - can't afford for the real truth to come out. That's why Schafer had to come out today against further state action against the nickname: the moderate Republicans don't want Kelley to implicate Hoeven in the whole nickname charade that was played by the SBoHE and Goetz. Hoeven's repuation has to be protected, so the nickname has to go. The people of North Dakota, be it Spirit Lake, Standing Rock, or the general population never had a choice in this matter. Hoeven, Conrad, Pomeroy, Dorgan, and the SBoHE preordained that the nickname effort would fail. Those leaders are the true villains in this tale, not just Kelley. Wow...........just, wow. That is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejm Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 That's why Schafer had to come out today against further state action against the nickname: the moderate Republicans don't want Kelley to implicate Hoeven in the whole nickname charade that was played by the SBoHE and Goetz. Hoeven's repuation has to be protected, so the nickname has to go. Um, that's not at all what Schafer said. He said "It's over". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYOBISONMAN Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Star, you have gotten completely delusional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star2city Posted July 6, 2011 Author Share Posted July 6, 2011 Wow...........just, wow. That is all. So now UND will be joining a new hockey conference within weeks. The new hockey conference doesn't give a sh*t about the Sioux name. The political naivete of this board is beyond belief. The political establishment in North Dakota (Republican and Democrat) want to get rid of the name. The populist and tea-party people - including Carlsen - despise the backroom dealings that forced the political establishment to kill the Sioux name. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 So now UND will be joining a new hockey conference within weeks. The new hockey conference doesn't give a sh*t about the Sioux name. The political naivete of this board is beyond belief. The political establishment in North Dakota (Republican and Democrat) want to get rid of the name. The populist and tea-party people - including Carlsen - despise the backroom dealings that force the political establishment to kill the Sioux name. I don't think any of us know that for sure. That what was said about the Big Sky not too long ago and it turned out they did care about the name/logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 If UND drops the name this fall....what happens to the FSSN? Does it change to the UND network? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 So now UND will be joining a new hockey conference within weeks. The new hockey conference doesn't give a sh*t about the Sioux name. The political naivete of this board is beyond belief. The political establishment in North Dakota (Republican and Democrat) want to get rid of the name. The populist and tea-party people - including Carlsen - despise the backroom dealings that forced the political establishment to kill the Sioux name. Get real. It wasn't the "political establishment" that will kill the Sioux name, it's the NC$$. As long UND wishes to be a member of that organization, it will have to play by those rules. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejm Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 Get real. It wasn't the "political establishment" that will kill the Sioux name, it's the NC$$. As long UND wishes to be a member of that organization, it will have to play by those rules. This fact has been pointed out numerous times; alas, to no avail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedi Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 The populist and tea-party people - including Carlsen - despise the backroom dealings that forced the political establishment to kill the Sioux name. Doesn't Al Carlson own commercial real estate that he leases back to the state? No backroom dealings ... hahahaha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 So now UND will be joining a new hockey conference within weeks. The new hockey conference doesn't give a sh*t about the Sioux name. I don't think any of us know that for sure. That what was said about the Big Sky not too long ago and it turned out they did care about the name/logo. Precisely. To claim otherwise is foolheardy at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgoSioux Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 So now UND will be joining a new hockey conference within weeks. The new hockey conference doesn't give a sh*t about the Sioux name. The political naivete of this board is beyond belief. The political establishment in North Dakota (Republican and Democrat) want to get rid of the name. The populist and tea-party people - including Carlsen - despise the backroom dealings that forced the political establishment to kill the Sioux name. Star, keep up the good fight. Thank god for people like you on this board that can see the big picture and what is actually going on. Kelley is a joke and should be removed immediately for the way he has handled this whole situation. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewey Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Star, keep up the good fight. Thank god for people like you on this board that can see the big picture and what is actually going on. Kelley is a joke and should be removed immediately for the way he has handled this whole situation. Amen. Duplicity is alive and well in that guy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ole in MSP Posted July 8, 2011 Share Posted July 8, 2011 Star, keep up the good fight. Thank god for people like you on this board that can see the big picture and what is actually going on. Kelley is a joke and should be removed immediately for the way he has handled this whole situation. I am not going to condemn or endorse Kelley about anything, but keep in mind that dealing with the Sioux nickname is probably 0.1% of what his presidential duties entail. He will not be evaluated as the president of a state university on the basis of this issue by the people who really have the responsibility for the office, I assume that is the SBoHE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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