So when a coach (or coaches) preach discipline (which I am led to believe they do), and then undisciplined actions result in a game, is that on a coach or a player? I am not trying to sound condescending, if it comes across that way. I am legitimately wanting to know the answer to that question. In a different example, if a parent preaches to their child not to get involved in drugs, or bullying, or whatever, but yet the kid does anyway, is that bad parenting? Maybe the way it's approached is wrong? So maybe a different coach could approach this differently and therefore be more effective. I could see in that case that a different coach could/would make a difference in the player(s). If the coach did nothing, that would be a coaching problem. But if the coach is actively trying to change the situation, and it's not working, wouldn't that be the players' problem? At some point the person causing the harm has to be held accountable.