Siouxperfan7

Faison wanted every year....not gonna happen. Taylor wants every other year to start out, and possibly in the future. I think Faison realizes that NDSU is not going to comit to a game with UND every year. I think Faison has accepted that every other year is the best he can hope for. So Faison likes the every other year scenerio, We know Taylor likes it because he offered it up a few years back. So what is left to discuss? Both AD's want this game every other year. Sign the deals for 2015 and 2017 and verbally comit to scheduling the game every other year and both AD's can sit down at the appropriate time of sceduling and figure those dates out as well.

Do you really thing that GT has the same standards for what OOC games NDSU schedules than you and other Bison fans do? I certainly hope not. Sure, your stock is pretty high right now. But remember, players come and go and a National Championship program can be a 3 win program in 2 seasons!!! NDSU says they want to OOC home games and a road FBS game every year. Go ahead and be the arrogant team who won't go on the road to play any OOC FCS games. I don't think that they want the reputation of the new kid on the block team who thinks they are bigger than they really are who won't go on the road to play OOC games.

So looked back at the schedule to see the last home and home the Bison scheduled with an OOC opponent. They hosted Sam Houston State in 2007 and went to Sam Houston State in 2009. I am just wondering if SHS "proved their were on NDSU's level" before they scheduled them. Lets just look at the Sam Houstons redord the 4 years previous to the 2007 game: 2006 6-5 2005 3-7 2004 11-3 - Conference Champs 2003 2-9 So that is a 22-24 record (48% winning percentage) with one conference title. Now lets look at UND's 4 years playing FCS football: 2011 8-3 - Conference Champs 2010 3-8 2009 6-5 2008 6-4 So that is a 23-20 record (54% winning percentage) with one conference title Looks like Sam Houston State was "worthy" enough to ""earn" a home and home with NDSU. By those standards, looks like UND is well deserving of a home and home....even more looking at the numbers!!!

Just wondering if some Bison fans can enlighten us on what UND needs to do to "prove they are on NDSU's level?"

And we are still wating...........got those answers yet???

yababy, Fetch, Dave, whoever else is voting NO, We are are all still wating for answers to the questions brought up. How does keeping the name help UND? How does it force the NCAA to back down? How does it get UND off sanctions? Voting for it because you are made at the NCAA is not a good enough reason. Please explain to me how not being able to host playoff games EVER, not being able to play Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, South Dakota State, and an ever growing list of schools is a good thing? Those things are affecting us right now!! There is specualtion about other consequences of keeping the name, but I want to hear your logic about how dealing with the current santions and unable to play these schools is good for UND? Still waiting.......

Still didn't answer the questions!!! We will give you another shot.....

Last paragraph pretty much sums it up. Great post!! I too am curious to here from our NO voters their response to the questions in this last paragraph? "Again, you haven't told us what is going to be gained by making a huge symbolic gesture. How does it help UND? How does it force the NCAA to back down? How does it get UND off sanctions? How does it do anything for UND other than make you and some other people feel good about keeping the "magical" nickname and logo?" Anyone?

Geez, sorry Debbie Downer!!!

Down the road?? They are proven to harm them rich NOW!!! If the football team makes the playoffs, they cannot be awarded a home game. Womens hockey either!! Those sanctions are in effect right now!! If you don't think that is a big deal, then you are seriously misguided!

Not earned enough for a home and home? How bout we have played 110 times for over a centruy!! I suppose at least 50 of those were in Grand Forks!! Yes we have had some down years, but so has NDSU. Do you remember 2009 when NDSU was 3-8??? Remember?? Wow...I guess NDSU fans really do have a short memory!!

I am not anti nickname and I am voting YES on June 12th. I agree with you that the SBHE, UND officials, etc could have done more. But it is too late. If we vote to keep the name, it is not going to change the minds of the NCAA. We had a delegation from UND visit Dr. Emmert (NCAA President) to discuss the new law passed. He siad that it did not mean anything because of the legally binding settlement UND signed. We had till December 2010. That time has passed. Didn't get approval from both tribes. So if the vote goes down on June 12th to keep the name, what do you think the NCAA is going to do? They said we can keep the name...but if we do, we will suffer sanctions. I an sure you are well aware of them so I won't repeat them. These santions have already started of affect UND's atheltic program. I am totally in support of the Fighting Sioux name and all it stands for. I totally think it was wrong in 2005 for the NCAA to make their ruling. I want UND to keep the name. But not at the cost it is going to be to keep it. You need to realize that most of us that are saying to vote YES love the nickname and do not think it is wrong by any means. But we are doing what is best for the University of North Dakota. You need to realize the ramifications of keeping the name right now. 4 years ago their were no ramifications. Today there is. Its to late. If we want to be a member of the NCAA, we have to follow their rules. I know its a raw deal, but its the hand we are dealt.

I am talking about your opinion on whether or not the game should be scheduled. It is misguided and arrogant.

I agree with you!! It is pretty apparent that you share the the same opinion of other misguided, arrogant Bison fans out there!!

Oh, so now that you have won a National Championship, no opponent you schedule will mean more to you than the other team. Really? Do you think other defending champions, like Southern Utah, Richmond, Montana, etc, share the same viewpoint? You win a Championship and all of a sudden all other teams have to worship NDSU and beg them for just a chance to be on the same paying field. The arrogance by you and other NDSU fans is unbelievable.

Good thing you are in the minority. Guess what, this game, this rivalry is bigger than your opinion or the opinion of some misguided Bison fans.

Yeah, I get it. You hate UND. Don't want to "help" them in any way. Guess what, UND does not absolutely need this game. We don't have scheduling issues now since we have 8 gauranteed conference games a year. If we need help finding another FCS game, we can loom to the other Big Sky teams that we don't play in a particular year and play the, (Portland St for example). We don't need this game. But as a fan, I would much rather play a game against NDSU than Portland state or even Montana and time.

We get it, you don't care about UND. That is why you have 239 post on a UND sports website and have over 200 posts in the Football category.

Why would App St., Montana, MT State, Georgia Southern schedule NDSU? They would only be helping them by having them play prestigious programs like that. It will be a bigger game NDSU, they need it more!! They will benifit more from the game! You see how rediculous that sounds when you put the shoe on the other foot??

NDSU is a better team right now...yes I agree. But guess what..they will not always be the #1 ranked team in the country. I know right now it is hard for Bison fans to grasp that concept. As we all know, many Bison fans have a short memory. Hey, remember in 2009 when you guys won 3 games? That wasn't 20 years ago. that was 3 years ago! And guess what, the game is scheduled for 3 years from now!! Believe it or not, NDSU could be a 3 win team in 2015!! You can't deny that this is a possiblity because it happened just 3 short years ago!! And guess what, there have been many years where UND has had a better team than NDSU as well!!

Teams gain notority and respect from beating better teams. You think people would even care about Boise State had they not beaten Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl? Do you think that the majority of the country knew who Appalacian State was before they beat Michigan in the Big House? Take NDSU..they weren't a huge FCS powerhouse right away. they were the new kid on the block. But guess what, they beat FBS teams like Central Michagan and Minnesota. Once they did that, they got the respect they were looking for. I am not saying that NDSU playing UND is like Michigan playing Appalacian State. The point I am making is NDSU fans are acting like scheduling UND is like a charity game where we are gaining so much buy it, and NDSU has everything to lose. Minnesota scheduled NDSU 3 times in the past. so did Colorado State this year. Do you think their fanbases were saying "NDSU doesn't deserve to play us. They have more to gain out of this game than we do." Seriously, your "holier than though" attitude that you and other on this site have is sickening!

"Its almost comical how upset UND fans get when they realize NDSU has moved on from them", "NDSU doesn't care about this game nealry as much as UND does": You say these things, but here you are on a Sioux sports message board talking about it!! And guess what, there are plenty of Bison fans that post on this message board several times EVERY DAY who say that Bison fans have moved on. Actions speak louder than words my friend. And just to let you know, you are in the minority when saying this game shouldn't be played.

If you werre a Bison fan, wouldn't you be chomping at the bit to play UND? If you are soo pissed off at the fact UND said that the Bison were not going to succeed in D1 and you believe that you are the superior program, wouldn't you want to prove that on the field? Wouldn't you want the Bison to play UND and have a chance to just take it to them and beat them by like 40? If you were a Bison fan, wouldn't you want to hang the score over every UND fans head for 2 years? I just don't understand why Bison fans are coming up with all these reason like financially it won't work, or they don't want to help UND. How bout instead of thinking of all the reasons why NDSU shouldn't play UND and look like a coward, you get excited to kick the snot out of UND!! Because that is exactly what us UND fans are going to want our team to do to you!!!

That's the problem with a lot of the NDSU fans, students in particular. They were in elementary school when this game was played last. They really have no idea of how great of a game this was year after year. To them playing UNI and SDSU are more important because the are familiar. All of us who grew up seeing this rivarly know how bif this game was for BOTH schools. The "They need this game more than we do" attitude is pathetic. Get off your high horse and come out of the clouds. I have a feeling reality will hit NDSU fans when UND has success in FCS and in the Big Sky.

However it went down, it is all irrelevant now. Spirit Lake and Standing Rock could have a vote tomorrow and vote 100% to keep the name. The NCAA is not going to change their minds. UND signed a legally binding settlement. The dealdling is up. The ramifications of keeping the name are here. Whatever happened at Standing Rock doesn't matter now.