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3 hours ago, MrEdway said:
It will only be resolved when all of us curmudgeons die off. The POS of a logo and name was shoved down our throats and I will never forget that.
So spite the school, current and future student-athletes and all those who do want to support it?
This mindset is troubling. It perfectly expresses the current state of affairs as far as UND support goes. It is certainly less than ideal. There needs to be a consensus amongst UND supporters; until then, we all lose.
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14 hours ago, petey23 said:
Well. I am not a fan, but for starters, their logo doesn't suck.
Tremendous point; no sense of bias or subjectivity at all with this statement. This answers the mid-field/mid-court logo concerns entirely; please, everyone, cease debate immediately.
The fact there is so much division within the fan base regarding the school's sports emphasis and how the logo can't end up on mid-court/mid-field/mid-ice is certainly a concern. This type of divisiveness should not exist to begin with, but, it does and that is a huge issue. It hurts UND athletics. The sooner this is resolved, the sooner we can all be a united fan base (which is normal for collegiate athletics) and actually see UND accomplish big, new DI things.
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2 minutes ago, UND1981 said:
I can agree with your point #1. However, I would compromise on your point #2 with KEM if I were Kennedy and leave the FHs on the sidelines.
If that accomplishes #1, I agree.
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1 hour ago, Sioux94 said:
First offensive play of the year........Santiago out wide.....with Brady and JJ in the backfield. Ok, probably don't waste that surprise on the first game of the year....or maybe not even the second game. But hope we see something like that a few times this year.
A few times this year? ... how about 10 to 15 times each game?
Such a concept is not wild in this current era of spread out football; it is taboo for Rudolph and UND football, though (?).
Concept: put speed (Santiago) in space (out wide) and power in backfield (Oliviera, Johannesson).
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1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:
What if we have a rusher with 1000 yards receiving?
Rudolph Eureka Moment ...
and many wins
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2 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:
Where was the journalistic reporting in this article that one or all those entities was/is "robbing" dollars from the FB program?
QuoteFor his part, the president has said relations between the two have been civil. If there have been any disagreements, Kennedy said, they have arisen in the course of ensuring the arena is operated to fulfill the wishes of its donor as laid out in original gift documentation—namely, that the arena is run in all ways with the goal of benefiting UND and its athletic department.
The foundational documents, Kennedy has previously said, deal with both (1) the financial distributions from the the stadium to the university "as well as (2) the conduct of activities within the Ralph to the benefit of the UND athletic program."
#1 - Financial distributions should at least be 50/50 but preferably more of a split in favor of The University of North Dakota (e.g., 60/40 UND). REA does not need majority (52%) of ticket revenue (that's DII line of thinking).
#2 - Put the damn Fighting Hawk logo on mid-court and stop avoiding that inevitable image.
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4 hours ago, sioux24/7 said:
Buy or Sell: We have an individual 1,000 yard rusher
Buy or Sell: We have a 1,000 yard receiver
Sell on both.
Too many backfield options plus questionable offensive line.
No dominant receiver capable of 1000 yard season plus not enough emphasis on passing game.
Could see three rushers all over 500 or two over 800 a piece though, which would be fine with how UND wants to play ball.
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9 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:
I’m sick of you arrogant ungrateful Hawkzi scum and the jealous hate filled BS you spew. I
I GUARANTEE that yes DONORS to University of North Dakota Athletics have seen these pages, and they have been disgusted by the ungrateful whining and complaining.
It HAS effected donations that would have been made. I was at an event today and it was the big topic. The people that were talking about it DO NOT throw around selfish internet tirades, they throw money around, a hell of a lot more than I do, and they were pissed at 2 things in particular.
1) Kennedy re: manner this has been handled
2) Comments they have seen from this site about the Engelstads.
I’m pissed and disgusted after what I heard today, it’s shameful.
If any of you think that you have advanced UND athletics, with the attitudes presented on here, are fools, small sad fools.
But hey don’t take my word maybe just ask around to some of the people that ACTUALLY DO support Athletics with more than just your Hawk logoed pacifier purchases. There’s not a quality person involved in the University of North Dakota Athletic Deparment that condones your ungrateful behavior.
LOG OFF before you do the University any more harm!!
You are so biased that your perception is completely incompatible with reality. You, whether you identify with it or not, are a stereotypical "hockey-only fan".
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1 hour ago, sprig said:
Thought that might be it, I think they also dress there before riding a bus to the Al for a game. The bottom of Memorial is just as it was in the 70s. Awful damp, crappy, concrete dungeon.
Dress there? No. The Alerus Center has an above average locker room for the football team to use on gamedays. That Alerus Center locker room could be improved but the focus is definitely the locker rooms used for practice at Memorial; they are no good at all. Coaches offices and meeting rooms are way behind there also. HPC phase II includes new locker room, meeting rooms, and coaches offices, all of which are desperately needed relative to what top MVFC programs have.
The UND hockey program has no issues with this currently, as we know with the current upgrades.
How can "UND fans" be this clueless about the current #1 UND AD fundraising goal if they truthfully care about more than just hockey? To help in explanation, imagine the old Ralph still standing for the hockey team to practice in and the coaches to have offices in, and the new REA being used only for games. I think the "hockey folks" would be real upset awfully quick.
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3 hours ago, darell1976 said:
Maybe one day we can have a fanbase that cares about the whole school not just one sport at the expense of other sports. 1997-2001 we had 3 sports playing for national titles in that short of years, I bet there was no division in the fanbase and everyone wanted all the programs to succeed. Then the nickname list came out in 2005 and that all went to hell.
Or the REA came online in 2001 ...
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4 hours ago, sprig said:
I'll change anti hockey to those in this thread who are ripping hockey, the program, the team, the coaches, etc
Like oxbow, I've never heard anyone at hockey ragging on other UND sports. In fact, most everyone I know has tickets for all sports
Get your head out of the sand.
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3 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
......and why do you have hockey tickets?
I proudly support my alma mater and its athletic program. I enjoy watching hockey. I have good seats. I enjoy the company. It is fun.
Do those reasons suffice? Can I keep my damn tickets?
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2 hours ago, sprig said:
If all else fails in the Kennedy/McGarry debate here, the anti-hockey people just attack the hockey program, it's coaches, players, and fans. I like all the sports, and can't believe there are fans of any one UND sport that are willing to attack the others here in this board. What the hell is wrong with you so called UND fans.
"Anti-hockey" aim? Many "UND hockey only" fans exist, not so many "anti hockey" in my experience. For me personally, I have both UND hockey and UND football season tickets. A few of the folks that I have been sitting by at the Ralph dislike "other"!UND athletics; in fact, one individual has had NDSU football season tickets AND UND hockey season tickets for over 10 years. The Ralph is just a emblem of status and is used as such for some; little link to UND for some of these folks compared to it acting as a social event. These types do exist I'm afraid.
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2 minutes ago, tnt said:
Might need to tell that to UND "FOOTBALL FAN" and others that try to wedge one program against the other.
Where have you been the last couple weeks? The REA inc./UND agreement and current controversy has illustrated the "wedging" for me. I just happened to sense tensions of this sort years ago and have been outspoken about it. It's simply a fact that makes UND athletics less than completely functional as a whole.
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18 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:
interesting thread, I think I am less of a football fan because of it.. carry on
Once again the programs get isolated. Support the entire University, not just a single program. I find it hard to believe many of these people are UND graduates.
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55 minutes ago, darell1976 said:
Good point, we have great facilities for basketball and football.
Not great when considering football coaching offices, meeting rooms, and locker rooms. This is what I said in my previous post and somehow the Alerus Center trumped that.
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48 minutes ago, darell1976 said:
Facilities don’t mean anything if we can’t win on the field. We have an IPF while NDSU has a bubble and they win it all while we have only a shared conference title to show for it. It’s a good recruiting tool but that can only go so far when comparing to wins and titles.
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Disagree. Recruiting is a huge part of winning, man.
NDSU's facilities are very nice within FargoDome; completely cater towards their football program.
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14 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
Agree with you both sports need to be funded better but what's wrong with the Betty? Or the Alerus?
They're fine. Salaries and HPC phase II desperately needed. Without those two things, UND is not a top school within both the MVFC and Summit.
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4 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:
But UND is it known as a "hockey school"......whether that is right or wrong yet you have no problem with the redistribution of that program's revenue. The current REA agreement needs to be renegotiated to better terms for the other sports but here shouldn't be continued excuses for the MBB and FB programs to underachieve revenue wise. When the Alerus is 70% full attendance wise and MBB is even less I don't see how that is all on the hockey program. BTW I have yet to see any one claim that FB and BB need to "entirely carry their own weight" but I could have missed a post or two.
Football and basketball need more support. That is simply the way it is. It isn't an excuse when facts and figures show UND football & basketball coaches are underpaid and the coach offices, locker room and meeting room facilities are less than adequate (especially for football). If those things weren't the case and attendance was still horrible, then your attendance argument would perhaps work. But until football and basketball have adequate level funding and facilities we don't know what they can actually be within Grand Forks as DI programs. They've never had that opportunity since the REA came on board during the DII era and revenue redistribution was not addressed during the DI transition.
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12 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:
Very valid points but at what point are those 2 sports somewhat responsible for generating revenue?
They aren't if UND continues to be labeled a " hockey school". You can't have it both ways; that is, label UND a "hockey school" but yet expect football and basketball to entirely carry their own weight. That double standard is ridiculous as it tears UND apart, as evidenced by some of the responses on this board. Despite what people may think, I have no problem with UND emphasizing hockey; but, it should be perfectly acceptable then for hockey to support to a certain degree the other programs. If you want to be the bell cow sport, then embrace it. Look around the country and see how it is done. This idea that UND hockey is a separate entity from every other sport is horrible and needs to stop.
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Just now, Oxbow6 said:
Revenue in MBB and FB needs to increase.....period. However anyone wants to make that happen I'm all for it.
Impossible for the University of North Dakota to make that happen though, right? It would have to be from an outside donor apparently. No way the available funds internally could be renegotiated and redistributed, right? Some people have really strange views on how collegiate athletics work; the extraordinarily rare gift of the REA has really skewed people's ability to understand this.
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4 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:This is a fantasy.
I've lived the opposite. Others were treated like !@#$ on toast by the FB program and that was BEFORE they went on the D1jv run. Can't imagine the genuflecting that is required now.
D1jv run? You realize UND plays at the same level, right? You are really showing your true colors towards "other" UND athletics; it's impossible for attitudes like this to ever actually help UND athletics.
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4 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:
Literally the definition of welfare. Lets not try to make entities stand for themselves but rather just provide to them from others.
They ARE being enhanced NOW with some of the fortunate revenue generated by REA. When is it ever going to be enough? 50%.... 75%... 100%...
The entire point of negotiations ... can you prove that the Englestads don't pocket some of the revenue that truthfully belongs to UND via their student-athletes? Don't worry, your precious hockey is maxed out and a 50/50 split (hell even a 75/25 split) won't sink the mighty UND hockey program.
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4 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:
Literally the definition of welfare. Lets not try to make entities stand for themselves but rather just provide to them from others.
They ARE being enhanced NOW with some of the fortunate revenue generated by REA. When is it ever going to be enough? 50%.... 75%... 100%...
Although now it appears that the fight IS all about the logo. And the hypothtical windfall of merch revenue that the center court logo will generate.
Really KEM should compromise on this part as the logo is already "on the court" as it sits on the plan now... it really isnt that big of a deal, just would want the North Dakota wordmarks on the ends.
Why do you want to isolate all the programs as separate entities and not just embrace the entire UND athletic department? It's too bad there are "fans" of UND that clearly associate with only a single program and not several.
So what if UND hockey were to help out other programs; it ultimately would move the entire athletic department forward. It's amazing how UND hockey fans subconsciously represent the very mindset that inherently exists with the REA agreement: protect UND hockey at all costs, even if it comes at the expense of other UND programs.
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Kennedy vs. Engelstad Foundation: GF herald feature
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No, that's not what I meant. I meant exactly what I said. Nice try though. You honestly don't care about UND, despite what you say.
This "Everyone who even remotely is associated with UND needs to mindlessly worship the symbol of mediocrity, or a few of us will relentlesly insult them until they do, untill then we all lose." is completely insane and not something I would even slightly word.
Despite what you think, the present problem is there is not an overwhelming consensus against the nickname at this point; more people are coming to terms with the nickname all the time. The alternatives of "no nickname" or "Fighting Sioux" aren't options, so what is the true alternative then?
Thus, we find ourselves at a crossroads:
Do we dump the logo and the progress made or do we continue to market the new logo and nickname and hope more and more people realize general support is what is again needed?
If you feel leaving the Fighting Hawks logo/nickname and going through another nickname selection process is the best for the University, you purely do not understand collegiate athletics nor what is best for UND. In fact, as I mentioned earlier, I don't think you could care less about what happens to UND athletics (especially non-hockey) moving forward. As such, I have a hard time even listening to your opinions.