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21 hours ago, Siouxphan27 said:From what I've read on here in the past, we run a very complicated offense formation-wise etc.
So sure, lets recruit the guys who can barely pass high school....makes perfect sense.
There's no question the current offensive philosophy needs a lot of work. It's far too reliant on a basic inside running game, that quite frankly, when you have average at best offensive linemen, will not work. There needs to be a greater emphasis on the passing game. I'm not saying open this thing up like Sam Houston State does, but the quarterback position and offensive formations/calls associated needs to open up some.
People joke that all three RBs should be on the field at the same time; I don't think that's a joke at all. I seriously think an innovative offensive coordinator would find a way to have that happen consistently for UND's offense. Swallow your pride for wanting to be this "basic smash mouth team" that you aren't and actually put a little thought into the offense. The best players need to consistently be on the field. I really question if this offensive staff can do that.
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58 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
I have an extemely hard time believing that. Think about it for a minute: when's the last time you heard a kid say NOTHING to anybody about being held up by his current school when wanting a transfer? So apparently he is sitting at home kicking the couch cause UND won't release him. Lol, cmon.
Next point: does Bubba seem like the type to screw over a kid?
Final point: he doesn't need to be fully released to transfer to another school. He would just have to sit out a full year, right? A school doesn't own a kid for 4 years. Absurd.
If UND wasn't releasing him he would have appealed. Anybody hear about his appeal or see the paperwork?
Unfortunately, in this case, public perception is not always the truth. Some things go on behind the scenes that would upset many ignorant to the reality of DI college football.
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1 minute ago, Longtime fan said:
Do you have a source?
If this is true what the !@#$ is going on with UND and it's inabilities to sustain OL!?! Rain, Grady, Merz....all three would of all been all conf to all American type players yet they all bail. As much as I love bubba and UND football ( and always will) there is something that is "off". With the lack of keeping quality OL and the horrible OC that UND has....this system seems to be a fail....offensively. They want a power offense (which I love and the type that succeeds) with no quality power up front and 175 lb back ramming it up the middle. Add to that....no creativity....it all adds up to fail. The lack of attempting to recruit a quality qb in each class is another thorn in my ass. Playing in the big sky for another couple years should make it look a little better without quality up front but once they enter the mvfc.....ouch!
Majorly disappointed if true.
The coaching staff and program (salaries, facilities w/o HPC phase 2) is mediocre at best right now. It is what it is.
I wouldn't put too much stock in this one deflection though.
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13 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:
Yup that's it because if you put more mayo on chicken s**t eventually it will taste like chicken salad!
I'll dumb it down for you again......................most will be or are ok with the nickname (myself included) but it is the logo and 5+ years from now it will still been seen as garbage by almost all who don't like it today. It's not that complicated.
That's your opinion. Your ability to articulate it surely leaves something to be desired. I personally know several people who have started to taste "chicken salad" after a year of time to digest the reality of the logo and nickname.
And, once again, the fact such a divide regarding the nickname/logo even exists is detrimental to UND athletics in general. It's a fight that takes valuable energy away from potentially more focused, unified goals and accomplishments.
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15 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:
I'll agree with this (in general) so then UND should not dismiss that large fanbase they are trying to market and rebrand to. The "hockey crowd" is the largest sports fanbase UND has that will drop money on apparel and merchandise. This "you're going to like it or else" mentality many of you present here isn't working and it's not working for UND either. Again for many it's not a nickname issue, even though it was a safe and generic pick, as the ship has sailed but it's a logo issue. To me that's fixable.
.......and for 1983 I don't have the perfect logo design but all I know is this current one isn't working.
UND, as is most of North Dakota and the Midwest, is surrounded by folks who need A LOT of time to digest everything and move on. Traditions run deep. As such, the nickname/logo acceptance and utilization situation really is just a situation that requires more time. I think the process would be expedited if the Ralph Engelstad Arena would showcase the logo and new nickname more, as their implied resistance undoubtedly influences the conservative crowd that denies change. Unfortunately, a large number of the people who dislike the new logo and nickname do so in context of the old logo and nickname, which just isn't coming back. Only time (and subtle influences to soothe the unconscious bias) around the new logo and nickname will change this.
A more detailed Fighting Hawks logo would not completely solve the current issue with acceptability and utilization of the new nickname/logo, but it could help. Many would certainly be disgusted with any amount of additional time and money spent on further logo development.
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4 minutes ago, petey23 said:
It's not the name. It is vanilla but it can be and should be marketed and branded. But marketing the logo is going to be a never ending uphill battle. so we either
keep pushing the logo....maybe enough people will obtain items with the logo through giveaways and clearance racks although that won't do much for UND pocketbook
put the logo on the backburner and push the name and then in a couple years roll out a fresh logo
scrap the logo but keep branding the name
The whole idea of licensed goods is to put some money in UND's coffers. We can wait 5-10 years and then look back and realize what we have lost financially. The logo isn't happening now and isn't going to be happening in the future.
I'll just repeat my previous post because it again applies.
Sounds good in theory, but what happens when everybody dislikes the second logo and inevitably has critical things to say about it. There undoubtedly will be people who are in uproar about the costs of adopting a new logo. The subjectivity of logos leaves this really as a no-win situation; at least until general support comes around like it existed in the good ol' days.
Continually swapping out logos for something new is not the answer. Perhaps an alternative logo could help.
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Just now, Oxbow6 said:
Man, people just don't care anymore. Apathy has set in.
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33 minutes ago, UND1981 said:
FFS and I said dump the logo. Not start over.
Sounds good in theory, but what happens when everybody dislikes the second logo and inevitably has critical things to say about it. There undoubtedly will be people who are in uproar about the costs of adopting a new logo. The subjectivity of logos leaves this really as a no-win situation; at least until general support comes around like it existed in the good ol' days.
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1 hour ago, Frozen4sioux said:
The "consensus" among UND supporters is quite clear.
Far and away there is a general agreement that people think the logo is shyte. That is the consensus, like it or not.
Very poor word choice.
What you really meant was " Everyone who even remotely is associated with UND needs to mindlessly worship the symbol of mediocrity, or a few of us will relentlesly insult them until they do, untill then we all lose."
No, that's not what I meant. I meant exactly what I said. Nice try though. You honestly don't care about UND, despite what you say.
This "Everyone who even remotely is associated with UND needs to mindlessly worship the symbol of mediocrity, or a few of us will relentlesly insult them until they do, untill then we all lose." is completely insane and not something I would even slightly word.
Despite what you think, the present problem is there is not an overwhelming consensus against the nickname at this point; more people are coming to terms with the nickname all the time. The alternatives of "no nickname" or "Fighting Sioux" aren't options, so what is the true alternative then?
Thus, we find ourselves at a crossroads:
Do we dump the logo and the progress made or do we continue to market the new logo and nickname and hope more and more people realize general support is what is again needed?
If you feel leaving the Fighting Hawks logo/nickname and going through another nickname selection process is the best for the University, you purely do not understand collegiate athletics nor what is best for UND. In fact, as I mentioned earlier, I don't think you could care less about what happens to UND athletics (especially non-hockey) moving forward. As such, I have a hard time even listening to your opinions.
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3 hours ago, MrEdway said:
It will only be resolved when all of us curmudgeons die off. The POS of a logo and name was shoved down our throats and I will never forget that.
So spite the school, current and future student-athletes and all those who do want to support it?
This mindset is troubling. It perfectly expresses the current state of affairs as far as UND support goes. It is certainly less than ideal. There needs to be a consensus amongst UND supporters; until then, we all lose.
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14 hours ago, petey23 said:
Well. I am not a fan, but for starters, their logo doesn't suck.
Tremendous point; no sense of bias or subjectivity at all with this statement. This answers the mid-field/mid-court logo concerns entirely; please, everyone, cease debate immediately.
The fact there is so much division within the fan base regarding the school's sports emphasis and how the logo can't end up on mid-court/mid-field/mid-ice is certainly a concern. This type of divisiveness should not exist to begin with, but, it does and that is a huge issue. It hurts UND athletics. The sooner this is resolved, the sooner we can all be a united fan base (which is normal for collegiate athletics) and actually see UND accomplish big, new DI things.
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2 minutes ago, UND1981 said:
I can agree with your point #1. However, I would compromise on your point #2 with KEM if I were Kennedy and leave the FHs on the sidelines.
If that accomplishes #1, I agree.
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1 hour ago, Sioux94 said:
First offensive play of the year........Santiago out wide.....with Brady and JJ in the backfield. Ok, probably don't waste that surprise on the first game of the year....or maybe not even the second game. But hope we see something like that a few times this year.
A few times this year? ... how about 10 to 15 times each game?
Such a concept is not wild in this current era of spread out football; it is taboo for Rudolph and UND football, though (?).
Concept: put speed (Santiago) in space (out wide) and power in backfield (Oliviera, Johannesson).
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1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:
What if we have a rusher with 1000 yards receiving?
Rudolph Eureka Moment ...
and many wins
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2 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:
Where was the journalistic reporting in this article that one or all those entities was/is "robbing" dollars from the FB program?
QuoteFor his part, the president has said relations between the two have been civil. If there have been any disagreements, Kennedy said, they have arisen in the course of ensuring the arena is operated to fulfill the wishes of its donor as laid out in original gift documentation—namely, that the arena is run in all ways with the goal of benefiting UND and its athletic department.
The foundational documents, Kennedy has previously said, deal with both (1) the financial distributions from the the stadium to the university "as well as (2) the conduct of activities within the Ralph to the benefit of the UND athletic program."
#1 - Financial distributions should at least be 50/50 but preferably more of a split in favor of The University of North Dakota (e.g., 60/40 UND). REA does not need majority (52%) of ticket revenue (that's DII line of thinking).
#2 - Put the damn Fighting Hawk logo on mid-court and stop avoiding that inevitable image.
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4 hours ago, sioux24/7 said:
Buy or Sell: We have an individual 1,000 yard rusher
Buy or Sell: We have a 1,000 yard receiver
Sell on both.
Too many backfield options plus questionable offensive line.
No dominant receiver capable of 1000 yard season plus not enough emphasis on passing game.
Could see three rushers all over 500 or two over 800 a piece though, which would be fine with how UND wants to play ball.
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9 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:
I’m sick of you arrogant ungrateful Hawkzi scum and the jealous hate filled BS you spew. I
I GUARANTEE that yes DONORS to University of North Dakota Athletics have seen these pages, and they have been disgusted by the ungrateful whining and complaining.
It HAS effected donations that would have been made. I was at an event today and it was the big topic. The people that were talking about it DO NOT throw around selfish internet tirades, they throw money around, a hell of a lot more than I do, and they were pissed at 2 things in particular.
1) Kennedy re: manner this has been handled
2) Comments they have seen from this site about the Engelstads.
I’m pissed and disgusted after what I heard today, it’s shameful.
If any of you think that you have advanced UND athletics, with the attitudes presented on here, are fools, small sad fools.
But hey don’t take my word maybe just ask around to some of the people that ACTUALLY DO support Athletics with more than just your Hawk logoed pacifier purchases. There’s not a quality person involved in the University of North Dakota Athletic Deparment that condones your ungrateful behavior.
LOG OFF before you do the University any more harm!!
You are so biased that your perception is completely incompatible with reality. You, whether you identify with it or not, are a stereotypical "hockey-only fan".
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1 hour ago, sprig said:
Thought that might be it, I think they also dress there before riding a bus to the Al for a game. The bottom of Memorial is just as it was in the 70s. Awful damp, crappy, concrete dungeon.
Dress there? No. The Alerus Center has an above average locker room for the football team to use on gamedays. That Alerus Center locker room could be improved but the focus is definitely the locker rooms used for practice at Memorial; they are no good at all. Coaches offices and meeting rooms are way behind there also. HPC phase II includes new locker room, meeting rooms, and coaches offices, all of which are desperately needed relative to what top MVFC programs have.
The UND hockey program has no issues with this currently, as we know with the current upgrades.
How can "UND fans" be this clueless about the current #1 UND AD fundraising goal if they truthfully care about more than just hockey? To help in explanation, imagine the old Ralph still standing for the hockey team to practice in and the coaches to have offices in, and the new REA being used only for games. I think the "hockey folks" would be real upset awfully quick.
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3 hours ago, darell1976 said:
Maybe one day we can have a fanbase that cares about the whole school not just one sport at the expense of other sports. 1997-2001 we had 3 sports playing for national titles in that short of years, I bet there was no division in the fanbase and everyone wanted all the programs to succeed. Then the nickname list came out in 2005 and that all went to hell.
Or the REA came online in 2001 ...
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4 hours ago, sprig said:
I'll change anti hockey to those in this thread who are ripping hockey, the program, the team, the coaches, etc
Like oxbow, I've never heard anyone at hockey ragging on other UND sports. In fact, most everyone I know has tickets for all sports
Get your head out of the sand.
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3 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
......and why do you have hockey tickets?
I proudly support my alma mater and its athletic program. I enjoy watching hockey. I have good seats. I enjoy the company. It is fun.
Do those reasons suffice? Can I keep my damn tickets?
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2 hours ago, sprig said:
If all else fails in the Kennedy/McGarry debate here, the anti-hockey people just attack the hockey program, it's coaches, players, and fans. I like all the sports, and can't believe there are fans of any one UND sport that are willing to attack the others here in this board. What the hell is wrong with you so called UND fans.
"Anti-hockey" aim? Many "UND hockey only" fans exist, not so many "anti hockey" in my experience. For me personally, I have both UND hockey and UND football season tickets. A few of the folks that I have been sitting by at the Ralph dislike "other"!UND athletics; in fact, one individual has had NDSU football season tickets AND UND hockey season tickets for over 10 years. The Ralph is just a emblem of status and is used as such for some; little link to UND for some of these folks compared to it acting as a social event. These types do exist I'm afraid.
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2 minutes ago, tnt said:
Might need to tell that to UND "FOOTBALL FAN" and others that try to wedge one program against the other.
Where have you been the last couple weeks? The REA inc./UND agreement and current controversy has illustrated the "wedging" for me. I just happened to sense tensions of this sort years ago and have been outspoken about it. It's simply a fact that makes UND athletics less than completely functional as a whole.
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18 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said:
interesting thread, I think I am less of a football fan because of it.. carry on
Once again the programs get isolated. Support the entire University, not just a single program. I find it hard to believe many of these people are UND graduates.
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2018 Season
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This just confirms all the conjecture on this topic previously.
UND football is grossly underfunded and I will continue to maintain my stance on this despite what others (mainly hockey goons) have to bitch about. When HPC phase II is funded and construction started maybe I'll step back a bit.