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1 hour ago, UND92 said:
One item in your above post I will have to disagree with. The idea that "NDSU DEMANDS a winner and we are content to win a conference championship here and there" Until SU began its current string of success over the past 10+ years, I don't remember coaches getting fired on a regular basis from 1992-2006 or so. UND was the class of the NCC for those years. As much as I like Bubba, I do not know if he can get UND to where we all want to go (hope he does). SU's success has come with coaches with more DI experience, not DII coaching trying to become DI coaches. I hope last year was an aberration and Bubba and UND can turn things around this year. I truly think 2018 will be better than 2017, not sure if we can get back to what they were able to do in 2016.
Fair points.
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1 hour ago, petey23 said:
Seeing the actual layout when finished actually makes me like this even better than the interlocking UND at center court.
If we have highlights that make ESPN or National Sports coverage(like Geno breaking some kids ankles) it lets people know who we are right away. Putting the logo at center court would not accomplish that and having the full name "Fighting Hawks" with the logo on the ends also helps with identity.
Looks good!
Very good point
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58 minutes ago, jdub27 said:
Fair points and I agree on most, but how much of Mussman's issues were because of lack of funding? His ability to put an experienced staff together was pretty hamstrung and overall, the move was made without the proper resources allocated and the problem compounded itself. On top of that, he likely stayed in his job as long as he did because of a cost issue (extended him on the cheap and then didn't want to buy him out).
It's all $$$. UND was dominant in DII because money wasn't an issue; majority could still go to hockey without issue. Now in DI, with hockey still taking up the vast majority, funding is spread far too thin for realistic DI success (especially at the level of what UND football was during DII).
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2 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:
We are becoming "that other school in North Dakota". That is unacceptable.
Too late. Of late, NDSU is academically and athletically the most prevalent school in North Dakota. Enrollment up, particularly in-State, and more programs added. Athletic accomplishments go without saying. Hate to say it but it is true. It's completely different from even 10 years ago (sports do make a difference) .
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5 hours ago, CMSioux said:
I guess you ride the best horse. Fargo media talks about SU football year-round as that is their thoroughbred. In GF it is hockey. Example! do you think we will see a Herald story on what numbers the incoming freshman football and basketball players will be wearing?
NDSU Basketball isn't the #1 sport, but yet they get those kind of news stories and even a new arena? Hmm ... doesn't quite sound like the same level of treatment as what goes on at UND.
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13 hours ago, Teeder11 said:
Football is the most watched college sport in the country. It would be huge for UND to get back to our strong tradition of success on the grid iron.
Yes,
so, so much potential.
The UND athletic department funding plan cannot afford an overly stagnant and conservative stance on its direction, despite what many around UND and Grand Forks feel comfortable maintaining.
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13 hours ago, Irish said:
I support the FB program and have season tickets like I mentioned. I am fully in support of developing this program into a National Champion. Bubba brought in a great attitude and is a great ambassador for the program. However, he needs to get it done on the field too - so far he hasn't shown the moxy to make any tough staff moves. We are moving in a positive direction with funding an facilities. This is a big year for Bubba as he has hitched his wagon to some coaches who need to step up their game. The program was on track to build a great following until last year's derailment. Attendance and game enthusiasm was at a high point. Time to turn things around in a big way. And just my personal gripe - It's hard to get too optimistic when your head coach thinks Rudolf is the man to guide the offense.
He needs $$$ (HPC phase II, better coaches via better salaries) to make it happen on the field.
Do you fire a lumberjack for not cutting down trees fast enough when all he/she is provided is a handsaw and everyone else (other programs) has chainsaws?
UND now is trying to recruit players to 90 year old locker rooms and coaches to 90 year old offices and meeting rooms with outdated salaries to boot.
It all comes back to emphasis and support, which UND football needs more of within the hockey climate of Grand Forks.
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17 hours ago, siouxfan512 said:
Have to remember that their fund comes heavily because they put butts in seats. Can’t fault them for that.
... with a $100 M gift aiding hockey. Hockey received investment. UND football currently requires it. It's not an even playing field when one simply compares the programs with attendance. UND Hockey could have a mediocre team (like last year's team) and still lead the nation in attendance; why? The REA. UND football cannot afford that (both a better facility and mediocrity on the field). When UND wins most of their games (e.g., 2016) they still struggle to sell out the Alerus Center. No issue like that for hockey with the REA.
Now, does that mean UND football must have a $100 M Stadium? It's unrealistic so no; but at UND, hockey got the big-money stadium whereas most everyother DI school in the Midwest puts their big-time donation into a football stadium. UND is an outlier. Not necessarily a bad thing to be unique but people have to realize this situation. It puts UND in also a unique situation for making overall funding work.
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8 hours ago, BobIwabuchiFan said:
Basically, Kennedy flew out to Vegas, made introductions and left the discussions to the adults. The end result of the discussions is the North Dakota logo stays at center court and UND thanks the mega-donor foundation and family for helping them navigate this thorny issue. Someone at NDUS decided to get involved and establish what was going to happen IMHO. I'm hoping the REA extends the facility management contract further as I'm confident once UND and NDUS get control of the building it will become a huge property tax boondoogle for the city to support the building (see TRF experience). Especially since UND can't manage the money they have now and with ND looking at making even more cuts to Higher Ed funding....
It does not take much for one to notice those who simply interpret decision-making competence through net worth.
Engelstad McGarry may have the money (ability to donate), but she does not necessarily have the right ideas. In fact, she wasn't even the one who made the mega million dollar donation (that distinction goes to her father). It seems, though, that folks around UND and Grand Forks just do not want to see through the dollar signs and actually consider deficiency within the current arrangement. It's always more comforting and simple to equate a single factor ($) to everything.
REA was and is a tremendous gift, but should it grant immunity towards reassessment and adjustment?
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1 hour ago, UNDBIZ said:
I thought I remembered seeing the basketball teams got rings. I'd assume volleyball did as well.
I believe REA "donated" for hockey rings.
Of course REA did ...
Got to love that entitled 52% ...
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1 hour ago, Siouxperfan7 said:
UND Hockey wins National Championship April 9th, 2016; Receives their Championship rings September 28th, 2016. 172 days later.
UND Football wins the Big Sky Championship November 12, 2016; Recieves their Championship rings May 30th, 2018. 564 days later
Did the Basketball or Volleyball teams ever receive rings for 2016?
Not trying to be ani-hockey, I am a UND hockey fan like everyone else. But seems a little unfair that funding for hockey rings was instantly available and other sports had to wait a year and a half later and maybe still waiting.
This is one of many, many inequalities amongst the programs. It doesn't help anyone to be "careful" and caution against criticizing UND's untouchable hockey program. The inequality is so obvious it is disturbing. We shouldn't stand for it just because "UND is UND and hockey is UND". It needs to change some in light of UND's division I aspirations.
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17 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:
6'0" 170# wr/db out of Folsom, CA. Offers from Sac St and San Jose St.
His brother is on UND team currently.
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15 hours ago, Teeder11 said:
Coaches, working with AD financial analysts (and alumni) got 'er done. Got rolling under BF, completed under Chaves.
Happy about Chaves. Great AD and better man.
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16 hours ago, UND1983 said:
Interesting timing. All the belly aching can stop now.
This just confirms all the conjecture on this topic previously.
UND football is grossly underfunded and I will continue to maintain my stance on this despite what others (mainly hockey goons) have to bitch about. When HPC phase II is funded and construction started maybe I'll step back a bit.
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21 hours ago, Siouxphan27 said:From what I've read on here in the past, we run a very complicated offense formation-wise etc.
So sure, lets recruit the guys who can barely pass high school....makes perfect sense.
There's no question the current offensive philosophy needs a lot of work. It's far too reliant on a basic inside running game, that quite frankly, when you have average at best offensive linemen, will not work. There needs to be a greater emphasis on the passing game. I'm not saying open this thing up like Sam Houston State does, but the quarterback position and offensive formations/calls associated needs to open up some.
People joke that all three RBs should be on the field at the same time; I don't think that's a joke at all. I seriously think an innovative offensive coordinator would find a way to have that happen consistently for UND's offense. Swallow your pride for wanting to be this "basic smash mouth team" that you aren't and actually put a little thought into the offense. The best players need to consistently be on the field. I really question if this offensive staff can do that.
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58 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
I have an extemely hard time believing that. Think about it for a minute: when's the last time you heard a kid say NOTHING to anybody about being held up by his current school when wanting a transfer? So apparently he is sitting at home kicking the couch cause UND won't release him. Lol, cmon.
Next point: does Bubba seem like the type to screw over a kid?
Final point: he doesn't need to be fully released to transfer to another school. He would just have to sit out a full year, right? A school doesn't own a kid for 4 years. Absurd.
If UND wasn't releasing him he would have appealed. Anybody hear about his appeal or see the paperwork?
Unfortunately, in this case, public perception is not always the truth. Some things go on behind the scenes that would upset many ignorant to the reality of DI college football.
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1 minute ago, Longtime fan said:
Do you have a source?
If this is true what the !@#$ is going on with UND and it's inabilities to sustain OL!?! Rain, Grady, Merz....all three would of all been all conf to all American type players yet they all bail. As much as I love bubba and UND football ( and always will) there is something that is "off". With the lack of keeping quality OL and the horrible OC that UND has....this system seems to be a fail....offensively. They want a power offense (which I love and the type that succeeds) with no quality power up front and 175 lb back ramming it up the middle. Add to that....no creativity....it all adds up to fail. The lack of attempting to recruit a quality qb in each class is another thorn in my ass. Playing in the big sky for another couple years should make it look a little better without quality up front but once they enter the mvfc.....ouch!
Majorly disappointed if true.
The coaching staff and program (salaries, facilities w/o HPC phase 2) is mediocre at best right now. It is what it is.
I wouldn't put too much stock in this one deflection though.
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13 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:
Yup that's it because if you put more mayo on chicken s**t eventually it will taste like chicken salad!
I'll dumb it down for you again......................most will be or are ok with the nickname (myself included) but it is the logo and 5+ years from now it will still been seen as garbage by almost all who don't like it today. It's not that complicated.
That's your opinion. Your ability to articulate it surely leaves something to be desired. I personally know several people who have started to taste "chicken salad" after a year of time to digest the reality of the logo and nickname.
And, once again, the fact such a divide regarding the nickname/logo even exists is detrimental to UND athletics in general. It's a fight that takes valuable energy away from potentially more focused, unified goals and accomplishments.
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15 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:
I'll agree with this (in general) so then UND should not dismiss that large fanbase they are trying to market and rebrand to. The "hockey crowd" is the largest sports fanbase UND has that will drop money on apparel and merchandise. This "you're going to like it or else" mentality many of you present here isn't working and it's not working for UND either. Again for many it's not a nickname issue, even though it was a safe and generic pick, as the ship has sailed but it's a logo issue. To me that's fixable.
.......and for 1983 I don't have the perfect logo design but all I know is this current one isn't working.
UND, as is most of North Dakota and the Midwest, is surrounded by folks who need A LOT of time to digest everything and move on. Traditions run deep. As such, the nickname/logo acceptance and utilization situation really is just a situation that requires more time. I think the process would be expedited if the Ralph Engelstad Arena would showcase the logo and new nickname more, as their implied resistance undoubtedly influences the conservative crowd that denies change. Unfortunately, a large number of the people who dislike the new logo and nickname do so in context of the old logo and nickname, which just isn't coming back. Only time (and subtle influences to soothe the unconscious bias) around the new logo and nickname will change this.
A more detailed Fighting Hawks logo would not completely solve the current issue with acceptability and utilization of the new nickname/logo, but it could help. Many would certainly be disgusted with any amount of additional time and money spent on further logo development.
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4 minutes ago, petey23 said:
It's not the name. It is vanilla but it can be and should be marketed and branded. But marketing the logo is going to be a never ending uphill battle. so we either
keep pushing the logo....maybe enough people will obtain items with the logo through giveaways and clearance racks although that won't do much for UND pocketbook
put the logo on the backburner and push the name and then in a couple years roll out a fresh logo
scrap the logo but keep branding the name
The whole idea of licensed goods is to put some money in UND's coffers. We can wait 5-10 years and then look back and realize what we have lost financially. The logo isn't happening now and isn't going to be happening in the future.
I'll just repeat my previous post because it again applies.
Sounds good in theory, but what happens when everybody dislikes the second logo and inevitably has critical things to say about it. There undoubtedly will be people who are in uproar about the costs of adopting a new logo. The subjectivity of logos leaves this really as a no-win situation; at least until general support comes around like it existed in the good ol' days.
Continually swapping out logos for something new is not the answer. Perhaps an alternative logo could help.
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Just now, Oxbow6 said:
Man, people just don't care anymore. Apathy has set in.
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33 minutes ago, UND1981 said:
FFS and I said dump the logo. Not start over.
Sounds good in theory, but what happens when everybody dislikes the second logo and inevitably has critical things to say about it. There undoubtedly will be people who are in uproar about the costs of adopting a new logo. The subjectivity of logos leaves this really as a no-win situation; at least until general support comes around like it existed in the good ol' days.
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1 hour ago, Frozen4sioux said:
The "consensus" among UND supporters is quite clear.
Far and away there is a general agreement that people think the logo is shyte. That is the consensus, like it or not.
Very poor word choice.
What you really meant was " Everyone who even remotely is associated with UND needs to mindlessly worship the symbol of mediocrity, or a few of us will relentlesly insult them until they do, untill then we all lose."
No, that's not what I meant. I meant exactly what I said. Nice try though. You honestly don't care about UND, despite what you say.
This "Everyone who even remotely is associated with UND needs to mindlessly worship the symbol of mediocrity, or a few of us will relentlesly insult them until they do, untill then we all lose." is completely insane and not something I would even slightly word.
Despite what you think, the present problem is there is not an overwhelming consensus against the nickname at this point; more people are coming to terms with the nickname all the time. The alternatives of "no nickname" or "Fighting Sioux" aren't options, so what is the true alternative then?
Thus, we find ourselves at a crossroads:
Do we dump the logo and the progress made or do we continue to market the new logo and nickname and hope more and more people realize general support is what is again needed?
If you feel leaving the Fighting Hawks logo/nickname and going through another nickname selection process is the best for the University, you purely do not understand collegiate athletics nor what is best for UND. In fact, as I mentioned earlier, I don't think you could care less about what happens to UND athletics (especially non-hockey) moving forward. As such, I have a hard time even listening to your opinions.
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3 hours ago, MrEdway said:
It will only be resolved when all of us curmudgeons die off. The POS of a logo and name was shoved down our throats and I will never forget that.
So spite the school, current and future student-athletes and all those who do want to support it?
This mindset is troubling. It perfectly expresses the current state of affairs as far as UND support goes. It is certainly less than ideal. There needs to be a consensus amongst UND supporters; until then, we all lose.
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A lot of new faces in 2018. New quarterback, new offensive linemen, new defensive backs, new linebackers, new specialists ...
This will be interesting to see. The coaching staff has a big task in front of them. They have to prove they are truly talented coaches and effectively teach a competent system in a short amount of time.
In my opinion, it is a make it or break it year for Bubba and staff. Grand Forks can't withstand long stretches of losing football or it will push football back into the Stone Age in terms of following. If the team has another horrible season (losing record), I think it's important to get new football leadership prior to embarking on the big boy transition that is the MVFC. But, Bubba and Schmidt know what the MVFC is all about so let's see how it plays out (success in it at SIU was limited, unfortunately).
An HPC phase II within the next 5 years for Bubba (if still at UND) and the program would do wonders for recruiting and player development.