Bison06

I agree, playoffs are the only solution. Ok enough of this agreement BS in this argument thread. UND's schedule is soft, whew now I feel better.

Agreed, anyone who thinks that is a good solution and actually represents a playoff is out of touch. What bothers me the most about the BCS championship is it literally takes away the best part of sports. To play a game means anything can happen and that is why I watch. Michigan is supposed to beat App St. by 50, Oklahoma is supposed to beat Boise St. by 30, well that's why they play the game right? What a joke not having a true playoff is, I'll never understand it. Even the money argument is ridiculous to me, they would make more money if they had a playoff.

This is why I love FCS football vs. BCS. All this BS talk back and forth about we have a stronger schedule or any other thing that gets said doesn't matter, because we will all found out who is for real in just over a month when the playoffs get rolling.

If this is what happens in the "real world" its funny a judge didn't see the cases that way.

Heagle has been a menace since the day he showed up on campus, this is only further proof that Coach Bohl doesn't have NDSU players wearing the mandatory ankle bracelets so he can monitor them 24/7. I refuse to give money to 18-22 year old kids to go to school to enjoy themselves. They need to be either eating, sleeping, studying or playing football. Kick him off the team.

Really dude? I love the internet tough guys. I bet calling me a bitch over the internet makes you feel big and tough.

Great analysis, I disagree about Brock though. I believe it has been the play calling that hasn't allowed him to have the stats of some other QB's. He has the ability to light a defense up, NDSU just hasn't needed him to. I am not sure how you see NDSU only scoring 21 points when they are averaging much more than that and SDSU defense is also giving up much more than that.

Piss off man, the guy asked me to provide an analysis, so I obliged.

I look to a few key stats when looking at a matchup between NDSU and SDSU(aztecs) The first one is SDSU is giving up 28.1 points per game this season, NDSU is averaging 41.3 ppg. I don't think we'd need to score that many to win, but I don't see them being able to slow down our offense much. SDSU passing defense is the culprit and has shown all year that they cannot stop anyone through the air. In fact teams are averaing over 270 yards per game through the air on them. On paper SDSU seems to be good against the run, but given their woes in stopping the pass my guess is this is the Vikings effects taking place.(Vikings led the league many years in a row against the run, but nobody ran on them because you could pass for however many yards you wanted so why waste time running the ball.) NDSU is extremely balanced on offense and I see SDSU offering little resistance to NDSU's ball control, methodical offense that rarely makes mistakes. The second stat I look to in this matchup is 3rd down conversion rates. NDSU's defense is extremly good at getting off the field on third down. SDSU's offense is under 50% in this category. In contrast NDSU's offense is darn good at converting 3rd down opportunities, while SDSU offense is poor in getting off the field on third down. I could go into a few more points about the stats, but ultimately I believe it comes down to matchups. I don't believe their offensive line has the guys to handle NDSU's defensive line and this is where I believe NDSU would impose their will and take over the game. Feel free to offer your own analysis, but this is how I see it. Edit: http://goaztecs.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/sdsu-m-footbl-CumulativeStats.html http://www.gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=205682197&DB_OEM_ID=2400

Well if you want to play that game nobody knows how tough their schedule was until the season plays out. Maybe EWU loses out and Cal-Poly loses out and now those losses don't look so good. Maybe YSU wins out and makes a run in the playoffs, maybe Indiana State also wins out and goes on to make a lot of noise in the playoffs and those games become very difficult games on NDSU's schedule.

Bisonboone answered exactly what I was going to say, so no need to repeat. There are no facts and stats to prove with 100% certainty that NDSU would beat SDSU, that's why it's called an opinion. It is an informed opinion, but an opinion nonetheless.

Pretty ironic that in once sentence you make a condescending remark about something going over my head and then in the next claim that NDSU fans have a superiority complex. I am not sure if you are lumping all NDSU fans in this or not, but if you read the entire thread(don't take the time) you would know that all of my posts were in line with what UND posters were saying. That UND would most likely have the exact same record they do now 4-3 against NDSU's schedule. I then asked how if UND fans agree that they would likely have the same record against NDSU's schedule where is the logic in saying NDSU has a weak schedule. None of these comments could be misconstrued as me saying how amazing NDSU is and claiming nobody on earth could beat them. You read what you want to read everytime a Bison poster posts. It would do you well to read each post seperately and not assume that because I have Bison in my name I can't even the slightest thread of objectivity.

I have never read a more closed minded post in my life. You can be damn sure if I came here and said NDSU would have beat Alabama last year I would get 100 people jumping down my throat telling me why I am wrong. But according to you nobody has the right to control what I want to think right. Hilarious. Classic response, go back to Bisonville. haha.

I swear you don't even read my posts. You just see Bison and immediately come up with a rebuttle. I never said Vegas is right 100% of the time, but they are right a hell of a lot more often than they aren't. How do you propose we PLAY THE GAME? The dude asked why I was of the opinion that NDSU would beat SDSU(aztecs) this year. Clearly NDSU won't be playing them this year. How does someone as pragmatic as yourself respond to a hypothetical challenge such as this? Do you blindly respond "well we'll never know, maybe UND could beat LSU this year"?

With a reasonable amount of certainty sure you can. More often than not the team that is supposed to win does, that why when they don't it's called an upset. There is an entire industry based on people betting on odds and rankings. There is a reason vegas is rarely far off on spreads.

So what do you propose is a good way to objectively decide who "should" win a football game? Do fanbases just get to randomly claim they would beat a team and then use examples like Indiana St. over NDSU to justify it? All sports have upsets, him using that site is an objective way to determine how good teams are and he was using it in response to someone else asking what makes him think NDSU would beat SDSU(aztecs).

You clearly do not speak for the entire UND fanbase as it was a UND fan who first brought it up and many other UND fans who continued to try and perpetuate a false notion.

Thanks for the correction. So with the correct numbers listed the argument is even stronger in NDSU's favor of playing a similar caliber of FBS teams as UND has. Change the teams' records to 27-42, which becomes a 39% winning percentage. Assuming his numbers are correct the teams UND played have a 43% winning percentage as opposed to 39% for NDSU's FBS teams And if you really want to get technical about it. Two of those wins were against Minnesota, who then had to turn around and play the Big Ten schedule. Slightly tougher than playing the WAC or MWC schedule.

I've always thought the argument you're making is very interesting. Let me explain. NDSU added losses to the teams' overall records. UND added wins. So let's say NDSU loses all those games and UND wins all of the games and see what happens to the teams' overall records. Teams NDSU beat becomes 30-50 or a 37.5% winning percentage. If we change all those losses to wins. Teams UND played becomes 31-41 or a 43% winning percentage, if we change all of the wins to losses. Still think the teams you have played are that much better? The difference is NDSU is adding losses to their records and UND is adding wins.

Jeff Sagarin who is slightly more well known and credible than Bison06 and southpaw, seems to think we would beat them as well. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt12.htm

How are Fresno and SDSU not in the same category? Fresno beat SDSU this year. By your own admission Fresno is up this year, which means they were even worse when UND played them.

I hear that a lot lately from UND fans, yet all you do is compare scores. Football has been shown time and time again to not have a transitive property when comparing scores. Matchups are more important in football than any other sport. So there really isn't any reason at all to bring it up.

Wow you are really putting me in my place. Actually I do enjoy coming here and reading the asinine comments and making corrections with facts. Calling NDSU's FBS wins overrated is petty and makes you sound like a fool.

Fair analysis, but I still feel you are wrong. It is exactly those advantages that you concede that make winning a game over a BCS conference school a big deal regardless of whether or not they are having a down year. Take for example NDSU's multiple wins over Minnesota. This is a HUUUUUUUUUUUGE deal for multiple reasons. There is literally not a person on NDSU's roster that wasn't shunned by the U of M. Every single player on NDSU's roster would have accepted a scholarship offer from Minnesota if it were offered. We recruit the same area, so we are beating them with players that they didn't think were good enough for their program. You see NDSU win recruiting battles over FBS schools all the time, but I have never seen NDSU win a recruiting battle with a BCS conference school. Why? Because when those schools offer a kid accepts. Just because all of these things don't translate into winning every game doesn't mean it isn't an advantage that BCS schools have over every other school. I honestly understand why UND fans don't think it is that big of a deal to beat U of M in football. You guys have played and beat them in hockey for many, many years. But keep in mind you are on equal footing with them in that sport. NDSU is not on equal footing with U fo M in football. So as much as you guys want to downplay beating a Big Ten team. It is a huge freaking deal.

Not all, they just have a history of playing well against FBS schools and UND hasn't exactly played any good FBS schools these past few years outside of Texas Tech. So it is logical to assume NDSU would also do quite well against the likes of Idaho, Fresno St. and SDSU.