Bison06

Quote my post where I asked for a pat on the back. All I'm asking for, if anything, is that people quit with the "NDSU football players are all criminals and UND players will all be lawyers and doctors" Just when you begin to think there are some reasonable posters on this board, you guys change my mind back again. Thanks for the reality check guys.

No my premise for posting was to offer the other side of the story, so you guys don't start believing your own propaganda.

What an asinine response.

Mods, I realize this probably shouldn't be in the football forum. However, since many of the discussions that portray NDSU players in a negative way are here, I wanted to at least start it here. Feel free to move it to the appropriate place. I would like to offer this article as the other side of the story for those on this board that feel NDSU runs a dirty program full of criminals. So here is some balance to the discussion. Please take the time to read this, as it highlights a quality young man(a few in fact, but one in particular) using his position in society for positive things. http://e4brokerage.c...Frisco_2013.pdf

It's funny to me that you guys take the time to actually say you are done. Would have more of an impact if you would just stop posting don't you think? Good luck with your upcoming recruiting class fellas. It'll be interesting to see how these classes turn out for both NDSU and UND.

Again, the law calls it a misdemeanor.

If you want to continue to avoid the facts to feed your agenda then I will discontinue this discussion. Please respond to this direct question: NDSU knew about the petition issue in August, before the Robert Morris game. Agreed? If they felt the players deserved a suspension, they could have done it right then and there without affecting the outcome of the season. In fact, both Marcus williams and Sam Ojuri sat the entire second half of that game anyway. Don't you think it is more likely that they felt, after discussing the issue with legal counsel, that the crime simply didn't warrant a suspension? You and I can have our opinions on whether or not that is true, but as an outsider I have to believe that they just didn't think that what they were accused of deserved punishment.

Whatever helps you get through the day as a UND football fan darell. You live in a black and white world and that's fine, but in my world there are grey areas. I am not saying they are perfect angels, but if having players get in trouble with the law makes a program dirty than every program in the nation runs a dirty program. Based on the information I had on the situation(petition), would I have liked to see a 1 game suspension? Yes. But I only have the information that was available in the media. Based on Coach Bohl's track record in disciplinary issues, I trust his judgement.

Where in the above post do you see him referencing incidents that went unpunished? He was referencing players getting in trouble and used the example of the Best Buy incident, where all of the players were immediately dismissed from the team.

Pay attention darell, he said I can't think of one example. I provided one, end of story. All of those players outside of the petition fraud(misdemeanor) were immediately dismissed from the team, not sure how they are relevant in this conversation of NDSU running a "dirty program".

Why would the team enforce a more harsh punishment than the legal system deemed necessary? You guys wouldn't have been happy unless they were all dismissed from the team.

He set the criteria at 10 years, not me.

There was a terrorizing charge that was pretty bad at UND in recent memory.

lol, yeah that's why NDSU is winning championships. I would like to live just one day in your head darell, it seems like fun.

The legal system is the entity that gave the players a slap on the wrist, if you want to issue blame at least do it in the correct place.

Having the facts straight and coming to the correct conclusion are two separate things.

If it makes you guys feel better to see NDSU as a dirty program, go ahead. None of you have any idea what goes on behind the scenes at NDSU, so you have no frame of reference to say what sort of things are a priority for coach Bohl and his staff to teach. For those who say they wouldn't trade for NDSU's program right now because of the negative attention they have received, you are absolutely lying to yourselves. Any one of your coaches would take it in a split second and so would the fans. Don't be childish and try to downplay what has been accomplished in Fargo, by chalking it up to "well anyone could do it if they had a dirty program". It just makes all of you sound jealous and pathetic.

Not sure I understand that sentiment, the thread is/was about the FCS playoffs. NDSU was the champion of those playoffs, talking about this seems relevant in this thread. If the mods think the conversation has run it's course than I might agree with that, but the thread is an appropriate place for the discussion.

NDSU hasn't had an away playoff game in two years, how could you possibly predict how they would play away from Fargo in the playoffs?

And UND could have been 11-0, the fact is NDSU didn't finish 7-4, they finished 14-1. Bringing up close wins is irrelevant. Is Alabama rated below 30? Edit: Also, we've talked about this before, but since NDSU took a win away from those teams and added a loss, NDSU contributes to their record not looking so good.

You're right, he wasn't great, but I don't remember him being a real weakness either. The kick in the championship game was embarrassing and coach bohl let him know about it too.

This is the main difference between FBS teams(30 and up) and FCS teams. Of course they couldn't handle a full FBS schedule, they have 22 less scholarships.

You didn't think Keller was any good? He isn't the best they've had, but I didn't see that position as a glaring weakness. Did you?

How is it over the top? They were voted at #25 in the AP poll by 1 voter, they finished the season #35 in the sagarin ratings. I think an unbiased observer would say they are right in line with the teams in the 30-40 range. I'm sure it's hard for a UND fan to take that(not smack, honest) but I believe it to be true. You can disagree if you want, but to call it ridiculous is well...ridiculous.

You're welcome to believe that, I disagree. I had seen plenty of GSU football this year because I knew we would meet up with them in the playoffs so I watched closely. We took their absolute best shot that night and still pulled out a victory. I would be surprised if they could repeat that performance based on the games I had watched.