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1. They did knowingly forge signatures on official state documents. They made the decision to open phone books and other sources and copy names, addresses and phone numbers. It was not a mistake. They did it on purpose. 2. They signed an affidavide stating that they gathered signatures from people, witnessed the signing and that the signatures were legitimate. Unless they can't read they signed this statement knowing it was not true. 3. They accepted payment for gathering signatures and when they accepted the money they knew they had not done what they were being paid for. 4. When confronted by goverment officials they refused to sign a follow-up affidavide stating they gathered signatures in a proper manner. 5. They admitted they committed this fraud. One of them admitting that 100% of his actions were fraudulent. 6. As a direct result of their forgery two state-wide measures were unable to meet the crieteria for making the ballot and allowing the citizens of North Dakota to vote on these two issues. These are not only issues of law, they are issues of integrity and honesty. What of the above can be deemed untrue or dismissable because "they were not properly informed", or "the company was using a payment format that could be deemed unlawfull (still under debate)"? Regardless of these issue they still committed fraud and forgery. How is this an issue of UND fans being jealous of the NDSU football team?

Inferiority complex, often used to mean low self-esteem, is a feeling of intense insecurity. An inferiority complex can be seen in negative or "useless" reactions. These reactions only serve to guard one's self-esteem. It is often seen as comparing individuals or groups as one being superior to another, it more closely describes how one deals with a fear of failure. - team wins national championship, player says "Sioux Suck" at national championship pep rally (ever heard an Alabama player do that?) - fans cheer "Sioux Suck" at national champions pep rally (See above) - fans cheer "Sioux Suck" at games not involving UND (never happened at UND) - fans frequent UND chat rooms and continually try to point out how NDSU is better than UND (yawn...) - fans frequent other teams chat rooms with intent to put down UND (it ain't just Lakes) - fans constantly compare their school to UND, looking for any little statistic that will make their school look superior to UND (see annual attendance threads) - fans can't wait to comment on perceived UND shortfallings (watch thise week and be amazed) - school has a president that morgages the university's future and its integrity in an effort to build attendance, again because of comparisons to UND (then leaves for Colorado) - fans feel the need to discount UND's hockey team accomplishments (perpetual) - fans feel the need to revise history in an attempt to show superiority (It was UND that ended the rivalry, you folllowed us...)

Well as usual the trolls have turned this into a pissing match. Look what's been keeping the NDSU president busy http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/ndsu-coach-bohl-says-companies-involved-in-fraudulent-petitions-are-targeted/. Isn't it nice that the football team has dropped this turd into his lap so he has to spend his time responding to indignent North Dakota citiziens.

Back at you with NDSU's perpetual sense of inferiority. As supported by your need and several others to be here. Thanks for coming to a UND Board and sharing your opinions. Must be tough not to have a place of your own to talk about a team you support.

It's already been stated this thread should be titled: Petition Fraud in ND. But Okay based on your comparison - UND hockey mills out millionaire hockey players that often return for their degrees and fund scholarships for the school, SU football mills out college drop-outs that take $9 an hour jobs defrauding the citizens of North Dakota and bringing humiliation to SU? Guess I'm not seeing where the jealousy would come in?

I think we have recruited the talent like they have, we just finished our transition and look at the higher level of talent we are already putting on the field. Bottom line during transition it really doesn't matter what your record is you aren't going anywhere at the end of the season (of course if your ego demands it you can claim a ficticous title and hand out ficticious rings). If we stop allowing others to compare one teams transition to anothers we had a very good transition record. Every day it becomes more apparant we don't want to be compared to "that" team for many reasons.

UND Hockey develops players for the NHL and other professional hockey leagues, What league does su football develop players for? Oh I know the penal league (pun intended)

I apologize, it's tough to know the "tone" of a text post. Many of us are just tired of having to deal with trolls that come here and ruin discussions with pompous comments and constant smack. Not saying yours was in that category. If we were face to face at a tailgate with a beer it would be more enjoyable to give each other some guff about our teams.

Oh at that rate they probably DID have their degrees.

Weren't there at least two former su football players gathering forging signatures in Petition-gate? Part-time work at eight dollars an hour for a college graduate - oops that assumes they graduated.

Hopefully our special teams make a play or two to turn the tide. Another aspect of the Sioux game is blocking passes. There were a couple of times when our defensive ends stopped rushing and just waited for the pass to come so they could knock it down.

You are welcome here if your purpose is to have an intelligent discussion on the game, if your ultimate plan is to get snotty and pompus we already get enough of that from posters from teams we seldom play and are in a different conference. Win or lose our team does it talking on the field.

Sorry but the position of constant posting on su issues has been taken by several other perpetual defenders of the herd that can't seem to get enough of UND. Many of us aren't interested in revisiting the revisionist history that is perpetuated by so many su boosters.

What are some of the possible punishments these student-athletes might be facing? No pudding for a week Coaching staff will no longer shine their shoes Reading of bed-time stories from President Bresciani suspended Coach Bohl is going to scowl at them Subscription to Fargo Forum cancelled Other possibilities?

Gotta say SDSU coach comes across as a very likeable guy. I would like to disappoint him on Saturday and see a Sioux win, but enjoyed the press conference and his demeanor.

Yes I realize that but they were still a "people" and if the NCAA's stance is that native american icons are not to be used as logos then it should not matter if they no longer exist. (Don't worry SDSU fans this isn't going anywhere just idle chat room stuff.)

Have you ever had to deal with the name "Aztecs" being considered hostile and abusive to native americans?

Sorry but if the football players would have given effort to getting actual signatures instead of sitting home copying them out of the phone book they might have actually been able to turn in legitimate petitions and helped get the needed number of names. The company thought they had 12 employees out getting signatures.

Let's talk obsession - Bison football players say "Sioux Suck" at National Championship Celebration, Bison Fans cheer Sioux Suck at the same celebration, Bis Fans cheer Sioux Suck at games that don't involve UND, Bisonswille had to create a Smack Site to contain all the threads regarding UND - one even critiqued a UND video that was on Youtube, they haunt Sioux Sports looking for quotes to bring over to Bisonswille and ridicule. We have perpetual SU trolls on this site that no matter how many times we suggest they leave - never do. I could go on....

I know someone should start a petition drive to have the State Board of Higher Education look all the criminal activity associated with the NDSU football team. They could hire members of the NDSU football team to get the signatures (since it's obvious they don't read the petitions they are working with.) I hear they are very good at getting signatures.

Yah - hope someone from the production team reads here - wait until after the extra point is done to show the touchdown replay!!!

Loved the number of students in attendance. Just gotta say the biggest cheer from many of them was for the free pizza give away. The band did what it could to create some noice but we really need the students to get crazy and start the cheers. Pleases don't make a bunch of 40-50 year old men come down there and show you how - it would not be pretty . I know many who will cheer with you but we can't start the cheers we need to the students to do that (Plus they can get away with a lot more than we can). It almost seemed like they didn't know what to cheer? Of course we can cheer, "Defense" a lot, but we can also cheer "We are North Dakota" and of course any Sioux cheer still works - sometimes it's just a matter of making noise. The games are going to be close - noise can mean missed assignments, wide receivers and back running into each other, off-side and illegal procedure penalties. One or two plays can make the difference.

Wow they were right their move and everything related to it has really gotten them lots of publicity and built their reputation. I just hope that others stop confusing the two schools.

Oh and I believe tailgating always starts 5 hours before kick off.