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And there is also Colton Poolman as a defensive recruit.

That sounds very familiar to the Ryan Gropp fiasco.

Two power forwards?

What I find amusing, or troubling, whichever way you want to look at it, is that the committee went out of it's way to get rid of nicknames that dealt with only one department of the university, and that limited the possibilities of coming up with a combination of names that could have worked well together. If they were bound and determined to include the name hawks, then why not at least find some unique aspect and offer up Aero Hawks?

Yeah, that's it, you feel bad for Red River, that's why you said you would possibly leave town if it came about! Give me a break!

Yeah, just the back and forth on this message board early on should have been a clue to the passion that would be exhibited when you have it as an option then pull the rug out from underneath the no nickname crowd. Inconceivable how smart people couldn't see this coming.

We have far more claim to the name Winterhawks than Portland!

But I thought the committee got rid of all of those names right from the start. That is why I assumed names like Trailblazers and such weren't kept but names like Spirit, Pride, etc. were. If they go down that path at the end, then you really have to wonder if anybody has any common sense at all with such supposed intellectuals.

Maybe because many people on the committee realize that we will just be going down the same road with protests from Native Americans and the intellectual elite, and that most of the people that want a nickname can't stand to see another 20 years of this crap going on in the media. It turns out now though that it will be another group that drags this conversation on for another 20 years.

He was the one who kept saying remaining North Dakota was an option. Why say that at all when he wants a new nickname?

Never mind blaming everything on the hockey only crowd.

North Stars already taken by a team in town.

PBS, channel 597 has a show on tonight at 10 about Teddy Roosevelt's time in North Dakota, and how it made him. Gotta love his rugged individualism and never back down attitude. Kind of person the state could be proud of -- wait, we should find a name that supports people that are constantly victims.

... but maybe we can differentiate by calling ourselves the University of North Dakota Northern North Stars!

Agree with you that people could not care less about the school as an institution of higher learning, but to be honest with you, the direction the school is taking as it relates to learning gives me less passion for the school on that side of things. It has become more a bastion of political correctness lately that doesn't accept ideas that don't fit the prevailing line of thought -- which is that of professors that wish to advance their agenda rather than teach and encourage freedom of ideas. Having a nickname pushed on us like Sundogs that was pushed by that crowd, and something generic, pushed by an all-knowing consultant won't alleviate those feelings of moving the University further down that path.

Well if they don't want to have the same name as a team in town, then North Stars is out as well, because isn't the name of the summer league football team the Tri City North Stars?

When asked about looking up the urban dictionary of Sundog, one of the committee members said they already knew about that. Funny how the consultant took the time to make people aware of the connotations of "Roughrider", but failed to make the same case about "Sundogs" in public, until people called him out on it. Hmmm!

I find it more curious that Roughriders topped their ranking last time but isn't even top three now. Sounds like they might as well have the consultant vote on his Hawks and be done with it! I also find it absurd that an outgoing President that has shown more affinity for political correctness than for the University itself, will have the final say in the matter. You can bet that since he was honored by the Native American community recently, he will consult them on those final names. Let's face it, it was just another job for Kelley, while for most of us the University of North Dakota has been a lifelong passion. It will be another slap in the face if he bypasses the vote with an end around on his way out.

Yes, how about someone at this meeting taking the time to run down each of the names as it pertains to their own criteria. Rank them numerically as they meet uniqueness, source of pride, pertaining to the state, etc. As someone else said, how about some leadership.

Yeah, maybe we better not recruit anyone named Johnson either because a twelve year old mentality might run rampant in immature college students!

So, obviously if Fighting Hawks is tops on their list, then their criteria is just the biggest joke. Don't request nickname proposals from the public with the criteria you would like to meet, when you meet practically none of that same criteria with your latest rankings!

But isn't the name of their group, "the Little People of America" disparaging? Why are they calling that to attention?

Yeah, but the question is, will you be able to see anybody through the smoke? Seriously, is anything noticeable up there still?

That should all come out in the wash when they let the stakeholders vote, but it better be an option, or officials at UND aren't doing their job.

Yeah, if given a two way deal, I would sign a shorter contract, especially if the organization I signed with had good depth at that position. Sometimes you can play well and still get sent down.