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The only way the people of ND lose is if the game isn't played at all. Even a single game is a win.
I am all for playing UND every year, even if they aren't in the same football conference. I think they'll get there eventually, but surely you have a mature enough viewpoint on reality to know that things just don't step change. Only way we go from nothing to every year at once is if UND is invited into the same football conference as NDSU. I think there will be one or two-off game contracts before that happens.
Most people in North Dakota already don't understand why this game isn't being played. Once they get one game they aren't going to want to wait a year or two for another one. Good one trying to explain to them that we can schedule Wagner or Stoney Brook but can't schedule UND or NDSU. Both schools are going to be the ones looking silly and childish. They are already starting to. If you don't believe me go talk to someone who is not an alumni and lives in North Dakota. They could care less about what happened in the past. Once they get a game again they are going to want every year things. How hard is it to wait until it works for both schools to do it every year? Thats the way we go to an every year thing if they are not in the same conference, schedule the first one for 2012 or 2013 and put it on the calendar for every year after that. Its not that hard and there is nothing childish about that.
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Like I said, 'tough guy", seemingly uncompromising talk. No different than any good US senator stumping in his home state about how he's going to charge into Washington, uncompromising, and doing the good work for the people back home. He's saying what he thinks the fan base wants to hear.
But like any proper business man, he will compromise and he will at least consider a profitable business proposal. Negotiations always start out on the fringes and work inward. NDSU wants just a single game here and there, UND wants the game every year. Something in the middle would be worked out, possible like the recently USD contract.
Even still, NDSU offering UND an initial 1-game contract for a $50k payout is a win-win-win. NDSU wins because they'd make a killing on the game in the Fargodome (even paying UND $50k), UND wins because they get $50k for the shortest DI game they'll ever play (no expenses other than bus rental) and a chance to "knock off NDSU" and the, most importantly, the state of ND wins because the people get what they want: the NDSU-UND football game back.
Or just a win for ndsu. They get the game to fill their schedule. UND and the people of North Dakota want the game played every year so even though they get the game they still lose. Every other state who's colleges aren't in the same conference still have those schools play every year. Why would ND be any different?
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... and most importantly: No loss.
Thats the key right there.
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Yeah you're right - the lowly summit isn't good enough for all the Sioux sports. I think you should inform your AD and president to quit begging for membership. As far as playing FB every year I doubt that will happen until we're both in the same conference.
Or around 2012 even if we're not in the same conference.
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You're entitled to your opinion, like everyone else.
UND would absolutely entertain a 1-game contract for this year, under the right terms.
And I told you what I heard the terms where and what they needed to be and yet you still argued about it. Until both schools are ready to make it an annual game it won't be played. How are those for terms?
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Sounds like good 'tough guy' talk, but if NDSU offered UND a 1-game contract for $50k to play Sept 18th if they could move the NE St game to another date, there's no way they wouldn't at least consider the offer.
I'll tell you why, cause like I said the game is not going to be played one year and than take a year or two off. Its not "tough guy" talk its the truth. I'm just stating facts, the game was discussed and didn't work out. The game will likely happen in the future but not before everything is ironed out. Why must you argue every single thing anyone posts that doesn't agree with you? As much as you think your opinion is correct on every topic regarding Fighting Sioux athletics your way off on many of them.
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Just for fun:
NDSU open dates: Sept 18 and Oct 30 => UND plays: NE St in GF and Lamar in GF
UND open dates: Oct 16 and Nov 20 => NDSU plays: Ill St in Bloomington (conf game) and Missouri St in Springfield (conf game)
NDSU probably can't move it's conference games around, but taking a look at NE st's schedule and Lamar's schedule:
- Lamar has 11 games with an open date on Oct 23
- don't know NE st 2010 schedule yet
But perhaps if NE State game could be moved to Oct 16th, that would free up Sept 18 for a game in Fargo.
Game's been discussed for next year and its not happening.
Not happening until its an every year thing which is more than likely 2012.
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Yeah? And?
Life's tough. That was the settlement that was agreed upon.
Never said life was easy or the situation was easy. I was just correcting your post and providing you facts since you always ask for them. Every other university had to get approval from one tribe. NCAA required UND to get it from two.
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None of those schools have an issue with their respective tribes. UND does.
Life's tough.
No none of those schools have an issue with their respective TRIBE, UND already has approval from one tribe. The NCAA is forcing them to get it from two.
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Ok. Trying to convince UND hockey fans that college hockey has a small, regional following compared to college basketball is like trying to herd cats. Pointless.
Forget I ever said it.
The point was simple enough: UND basketball has a huge potential to bring the state and the school a ton of national attention. That's a simple fact that can not be denied.
However, this is never going to happen unless UND gets into an auto-bid conference!
P.S. - Just because a college hockey game is televised on a national cable network does not mean anyone tuned in to watch! They have these things called "ratings"...
I don't think that anyone here is denying that hockey is a niche sport. Everyone knows it is. I think everyone is trying to get it through your and other Bison fans thick heads that having sporting events on a network that is broadcast nationwide is a huge deal. You guys can downplay it all you want but the bottom line is people can tune in and watch. Is it ESPN absolutely not but its still on. I have watched teams that I could absolutely give two shits about play on that channel so what makes you think that other sports fans don't do the same thing. What would you rather have and answer honest?
One game in maybe four or five years on CBS where you happen to get beat?
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A game every other weekend on a smaller nationwide channel thrown in with 2 or 3 appearance on ESPN or ESPN2 every five years?
Both are pretty good but option 2 sounds a little better. And honestly, without looking it up tell me who Michigan St. lost to last year in the first round. Thats about how people outside of ND, SD, MN, and maybe NE remember NDSU. I'm not downplaying it at all and would love for UND to be in the same boat as I was actually at the Kansas-ndsu game last year but if your an underdog you better win a game or two to be remembered. If not your just another 15 or 16 seed.
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I wonder how many years it will take for all people watching any UND games on FCS to equal that ONE game back in March. Do you really think that anyone watches UND BB outside of Sioux fans (maybe) and if they do what do you think they think of it?
Danno, if you walked into any sports bar or casino outside of the 3 state area this March on the opening day of the tournament and asked every person in the bar who Kansas beat in the opening round of the tournament last year how many do you think would answer correctly. After they got beat out NDSU was just another 15 seed to get knocked out of the tournament. To be remembered you gotta win a game or two or make it to the tournamet a few years in a row. Also, CBS shows a lot of those games regionally and maybe cut into the Kansas-NDSU game a few times during the game. Your NCAA tournament apperance is a nice feather in the hat regionally but thats about it. The same people who still care about it are the same people that watch UND BB on FCS and the same people who watch UND hockey every other weekend on FCS every other weekend. So to answer your question its pretty irrelevant how many people watched that game on CBS since about 98% of them don't remember it.
To prove a point walk into a Fargo sports bar and ask people who UNC beat last year in the first round of the tournament. Maybe you'll get one correct answer from a Carolina fan. Without you looking it up I bet you can't even answer it right now.
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As much as it pains me to say it, mpls is right. The Montana schools moved to it(MSU fans love it), SDSU is in a similar climate, plus they share their field with a high school. An issue that PSU and Norte Dame don't have.
The FCS is not DII, they forced Chatty to put in field turf after field conditions were bad during a recent title game, if SDSU has a torn up field it will be a strike against them. Yes, most players prefer field turf, I doubt it is a dealbreaker but it just another thing that recruits look for. Once NDSU replaces the concrete turf in a few years it will be another issue SDSU will have to deal with.
So your saying mpls is right that the NCAA should force SDSU to replace their grass with turf? I agree that most schools do it as a maintence issue as I stated earlier. Its a cheaper long term investment. mpls says its all about recruiting, which I don't buy. He also says that the NCAA should force field turf on all schools. I guess if you agree with those things so be it.
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Doesn't matter. Recruits see it as an advantage (and it is one, whether you're too stubborn to admit it or not) so teams are going to keep installing long blade turf.
Well I'd say based on the success SDSU has had the last few years and the direction their program is going that they are doing ok. Plus Notre Dame and Penn St. are north teams that don't seem to think they need long blade turf to win recruits. Add in Florida and Florida St. and how much rain they can get in Florida and they don't seem to have a problem getting recruits.
Field turf's appeal is due to the cost savings of basically paying for the initial installation and thats it. Not a lot of up keep after that. To get recruits its more important you consistently win games, have a coaches they like, make the playoffs and in some cases offer a major they are looking for. Do that and recruits could care less about whether they play on grass or turf. I have yet to see a kid say the sole reason I picked school A over school B is because they have turf. Its not being stubborn, its actually having common sense and being realistic.
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I bet SDSU has field turf within the next decade...Especially if they want playoff games(they won't get one if their field is torn up) and recruits also like field turf.
Yeah cause no team with grass can recruit. Also I seem to remember a kitty littter playoff game the bison played in a few years back. They had to go on the road when they had a nice, warm, dry dome to play in. Bottom line is win your games and more importantly put butts in the seats and thats all the NCAA cares about.
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I never said they should get magic carpet. That crap should be banned.
And yes I realize that muddy, slippery conditions cause a greater chance for injuries and slower performance for both teams. What a treat for the fans that came out to see football played at one of the highest levels.
Still don't know what game your talking about. It rained the whole week leading up to the NDSU game I linked pictures of and that field looks like its in pretty good shape. Not muddy at all. You can also find pictures of the UNI and SIU games which where later in the year in Brookings and the field looks good in them as well. If you have ever played in Brookings you know that the field itself is well taken care of and one of the nicest grass fields you can find as a player. Not every field needs to be field turf, sprint turf or any other kind of artificial surface. I think your just making excuses for the Bison recent struggles against the Bunnies. Wrong board for that.
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Requiring play indoors or dry conditions above 32 degrees => too restrictive.
Requiring turf on stadiums in particular climates where grass does not grow well in the fall season => not too restrictive.
My opinion.
Do you honestly beleive the !@#$ you type? Maybe they could just play two hand touch as well. You never answered my question about what game was too sloppy to play football.
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Should the home team be allowed to dump broken glass and fire ants on the visiting team sideline? Obviously not.
So then, it's logically established: a home team should not be allowed to keep their field in whatever condition they choose.
Thus, the only point to debate is where is the line drawn? What should a home team be able to get away with and what should they not be allowed?
I see it as no stretch of credibility that a home team in DI be required to maintain a surface that, within reason, upholds the highest standard of player safety and performance. Without doubt, a sloppy, muddy, junior high field does neither.
What game are you talking about where the players safety was jepordized by these sloppy, muddy, junior high field conditions? Surely it wasn't this game.. As you can tell by the players jerseys it really must have been a sloppy, muddy, junior high school field mess out there with all the mud. You can barely tell what team a player is on.
I would say beings it rained for an week leading up to the game that field is in great shape. With as much rain as they had any field surface would have been slippery. By your logic the NCAA should require all teams to play inside or only play in dry conditions above 32 degrees. Or maybe the NCAA could require all teams to build domes so there is no outside conditions that could effect the outcome of a game.
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Require turf?
I posted this elsewhere but seems to fit here.... Onside Kick Was Dirty Pool
The author's premise is that onside kicks at the start of a half are unfair, because each team should "receive" the ball when it is their turn. With the outlandish points Mpls makes on this board, he may very well be the author. There is a poll on the site in which 2.5% of the readers agree with him. 96.7% disagree, many leaving humorous comments.
That guy is taking the "everyone gets a ribbon" thought a little to far. I can't believe what some people think. I've never been drunk enough to even think thats close to a good idea. -
Yeah, because what player doesn't want to play on that slop-fest "grass" field?
I won't take SDSU's stadium serious until they get turf. The NCAA should require any DI outdoor football stadium north of some climate line to have turf.
Why? Because the Bison have struggled there. Its a nice advantage and Stig builds his teams around that grass field. Teams that aren't used to playing on grass struggle with it. Its called homefield for a reason. If you honestly believe the NCAA should step in a decide what type of surface a team has to have on their field your an idiot. Do you also think that games should be held in a scrimmage type setting with no fans so crowd noise isn't a factor in games? I also highly doubt that SDSU cares what NDSU fans think about their stadium and whether they take it serious. They only care about continuing to have the upper hand in the rivalry.
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I went to the UND-SDSU game in Brookings in 2002 (the game Kelby Klosterman got injured in ) and I thought it was a total dump. The west stands looked like something out of the Depression era and the east stands were so fragile-looking that I thought I might break through them! That was over seven years ago and there is no telling how bad they are now.
I wish them luck in improving their stadium situation, it will hurt their recruiting sooner or later.
Stadium may be a dump but its one of the funnest stadiums to play in as a player. If there attendance keeps improving and the team keeps winning I don't really doubt it will have a huge effect on recruiting. Kids wanna play for a winner. There are a lot worse stadiums out there than SDSU's.
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Wayne Nelson won the writer of the year award for the 5th time this year. I didn't see this posted anywhere else but congrats Wayne. Thanks for all the work you do for area sports and your coverage of Sioux athletics. The award is well deserved.
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From what I heard abot McGill - SDSU wanted him to play defense and he wanted a chance to play offense.
I believe he was going to get a shot at receiver at SDSU. Just didn't like the fit.
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Dan...we would own you in every sport that matters except mens basketball...And it's not like your exactly burning up the hardwood this season are you.
Who knows..maybe we would beat you in a home and home..But would own you in Womens BB and Football.
Not even debatable
And Danno thats coming from one Bison fan to another.
Whats the point of posting that when the two schools aren't even going to play? Unless your talking about an all Bison scrimage. No use talking about a game until its on the schedule unless you just want to stir the pot.
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Thoughts and prayers with the family. I remember reading an article about Brendan last year I believe. He was a great young man who had a bright future ahead of him.
NDSU - UND game 2010
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Dumbest comparison I have ever heard. They call that a bonus.
You also keep ignoring the obvious question as to why can't it be scheduled every year? I agree with most that the game shouldn't be scheduled until both schools are playoff elgible. Than ndsu's arguement of doing UND any favors is out the window. In every season for ndsu there are 3 and sometimes four non conference games. One of those goes to a BCS game that leaves two. You can still schedule your one cupcake that will come to the dome and still have one game left. You have to travel one game every other year but you and Danno already said USD is an easy, cheap road game and its half the distance to Grand Forks so I guess thats a excellent travel game than. So my question is why can't it be scheduled every year? Why play than take a year or two off? Is it cause ndsu needs a game this year or is it cause Gene is scared to schedule it every year?