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Are you sure it was accidental??

I had a meeting this AM with one of Senator Coleman's staff concerning education and the NCLB Act. After other discussion about NCLB, I suggested they consider my idea of changing the drinking age to either age 21 or a person with a HS diploma plus 3 mos. whichever comes first. I suggested it should improve graduation rates without cost to taxpayers. I reminded her we have more problems in this country with binge drinking than those countries which have lower drinking ages and that we are willing to send young men and women age 18 to war. She took notes on other ideas but I noted she didn't write anything down about my idea on changing the age. I think she is a Gopher fan.

I have four tickets each night for the Mankato series. Section 101 Row G. $130 for all four. either night.

This explains everything. The guys just stopped by for an Ice Cream Cone and the spot next door was closed. They heard the same thing you did, that both places had the same owner. They naturally thought that in the winter, you had to go to Judys to get ice cream. That is why they are only charged with minors on the premises. They weren't there for beer, they stopped by for Ice Cream. So you are trying to tell me now that you can't even get an Ice Cream cone in GF without getting hassled. What is the world coming to??

Judys is the political hub of Grand Forks and the University. They treat it like the UN in New York You get immunity from prosecution as long as you don't do anything egregious.

I wasn't kidding. Friends and guys who were on their team can call or email the kids Dad. Don't call the kid.

That loud noise was the door slamming on your freedom!

Mark and Steve were the two Veldmans who played at UND. Didn't a third play at Moorhead State? If this kid is Mark or Steve's kid, and anyone played on those teams with them in the early 1980's, call those guys and make sure we don't lose this kid to the AC. Tell them if they let their son or nephew go to the AC Gene Murphy will come back and run over them with his scooter and make them do power conditioning until they puke. This kid could make this one of the best recruiting classes in school history.

When I got to UND I was told (by my brother) that underage drinking at Judy's was immune from prosecution. My brother, (who is an attorney) just verified that the immunity is still in place. As long as you don't drink and drive, get in fights, or break the long pool cues (when you should be using the short one by the north wall) these charges won't hold up in court. I have trouble believing a lot of this. PCM is correct, wait until you get the facts. Does anyone really think you could fit 3 hockey players, the first year med students, the three Sigma Chis who still drink beer, Richie, Shorty, Maynard (and his Ulkele), Wes H., the snitch who called the cops, and some wide bottomed cop in Judys at the same time??? I would expect Ryan Bakken to do some investigative reporting and get the truth out. Chuck Haga might come back from the Star Tribune if he hears Judys is under attack by GF's finest. Don't they have anything beter to do? These are college aged kids. Tell them to dump their beer and get the hell out of there. That is how they used to handle it. If they get DUI's prosecute them. If they are UND students they are supposed to go to Judys until you get better ID's or are 21. On a related topic, when are the politicians going to change the laws so any kid 3 mos beyond receiving his HS diploma can drink beer? Hell, they can die for our freedom. Why not let them drink legally. Maybe somewhere along the line we will admit that even with our higher drinking age we have a bigger problem with binge drinking than virtually any developed country in the world. Change the law to age 21 or 3mo past your HS graduation whichever comes first. Give that idea some thought. It will improve our HS graduation rates at no increased cost to the taxpayers. Also, our hockey players wouldn't be in trouble.

They would be taking UND's ME, CE, and EE in order to decrease duplication. That would be a huge gain for them even thought they wouldn't be adding any new programs. What I was expected you to say was NDSU would close their Accounting program, Nursing program, some of their business programs etc. in order to accomplish your goal of decreasing duplication. If you really want to decrease duplication you will need to bring something to the table. Otherwise you are wasting your time. If you think UND is simply going to close those Engineering programs, and get nothing in return, I think you are losing me. If your idea is that UND should close any programs and send them to NDSU in exchange for an opportunity to develop new fields of study it will not happen. UND already is reviewing a number of new programs and, at times in the past, if not present, have discussed Aerospace and Aeronautical Engineering as well as Genetic mapping, Biomedical Engineering etc. I believe most of those programs are expensive, complicated and very dependent on grant dollars and coorporate sponsorship. The days of Clifford and Loftsgard working together disappeared behind big Joe's ears and ego. We will see how things might change with UND behind someone like Dr. Bruce Smith. He has the charisma and moxy to lead UND and sway the politicians similar to Clifford. There was no one better. Joe Chapman is the best at it since Clifford.

Who cares, the season is over. Lets just agree NDSU had a tougher schedule. The AC should consider resuming the rivalry this year because with the graduation of Reed Manke UND will have an unproven QB and doesn't have the dominating defense it had in the past. They would be the prohibitive favorite to win the game and get the nickel back. UND is having one of its better recruiting years according to reports and will have an equal number of scholarships after this year. The game would be in Fargo if they resume the rotation and with all of that in their favor I think Taylor will agree unless they get a great deal from a D1AA or D1 team.

Send this to the NCAA. That is a picture of UND Athletic Director Tom Buning doing the Tomahawk chop!!! Pictures don't lie.

Those are programs UND would consider adding anyway but they need to be programs that are viable. Your posts have been fine I am just commenting that many people do not know that UND has excellent and respected engineering programs. If they were going to move programs to NDSU what would NDSU move to UND in exchange. NDSU also has excellent Engineering and it is a waste of time to start listing all of the fine things the two schools have done in Engineering. You brought up a valid point and I am just interested to know what NDSU would give to UND in order to get what they would love to have in Engineering.

UND is known as much more than an Engineering School. To the industry leaders, companies and organizations who hire engineers, UND has an excellent reputation. NDSU is not known as an Engineering school anymore than UND is. It is known primarily as an Agricultural College thus the long standing name "the AC" which was used by everyone including the AC grads and students. It wasn't a derogatory term until someone who went to school there decided to be offended. It has an excellent pharmacy program and because there are not many pharmacy programs in this region it is one of the conerstone programs to your school. I dont' think oyou would want to give that up but if UND was going to give up three strong Engr programs like ME, CE and EE, it would take a trade of that magnitude. Others have outlined the history of the School of Engr and Mines and I think that should put to rest any idea that all Engr should be only at the Land Grant School. If duplication is really an issue then the first thing to do will be to close the smaller colleges such as Mayville State and Valley City State. You will likely save enough $$ to leave the Engineering programs at both schools intact. If that works well, you can move west to decide which other colleges to close. Unfortunately, it will come down to who has the stongest lobby and political power to influence the legislature. I think those not familiar with UND's Engineering are under the mistaken impression it isn't very good because you don't know much about it. They should be marketing the programs and publicizing the programs and success of the grads but closing them or moving them is not an option.

So what would the trades be? If UND gave up EE and CE what would they get in return?

3 of the four Engineering majors in FB, none in hockey according to the media guides. I would guess an additional handful in the other sports (total 10-20 of the 400-500 athletes) but Engineering has been strong at UND so why would they want to move it? There would need to be some give and take. IF UND is going to have Aerospace or Aeronautical Engineering then keeping Mechanical at UND would make sense. Sending EE and CE to NDSU as the trade for ME and Aerospace might be fair. NDSU doesn't have Chem Engr so it would stay at UND and is not part of the equation. Business is not a program everyone needs to survive. Once a school has it, I don't think anyone will want to give it up though. Many colleges don't have it. The Accounting program is one that doesn't need to be replicated and UND has been so strong for years it would make no sense to move it away from UND. On the otherhand, the cost of moving it would be minimal which ever way you moved. I was a CE major at UND and was advised to go there by the head of the states Federal Highway Administration because he felt UND had the better program. It was based on the interaction he had with the professors from the two schools and the interns they had working for the Federal Highway Administration in the summers. I am sure you can find someone who will tell you they prefer NDSU. The point is UND does have an excellent school of engineering. The quality of ME's from UND is excellent and they are highly recruited. I believe the EE program at UND is also very good but I don't have recent info to back that up. I have been told it is excellent at NDSU.

Pharmacy is much more than Chemistry and if we are going to be pressured into letting Pharmacists start prescribing certain medications because they now get a doctorate, then that would seem to fit with the Medical school and College of Nursing rather than the Chemistry folks at NDSU. You can make a good argument for keeping it with the Ag Sciences but because it is one of the programs that defines NDSU I don't think it would get moved. UND has a good Chem Engr program. You could make the argument because of the Ag Chem programs etc. you want to move it to Fargo but it is so much different than the other engineering disciplines that I don't think it would be worth making the move. Along with the Geology and Geological Engr and coal gasification research it seems the Chem Engr would be best left at UND. I would think with your line of thinking you would also support the Accounting and Business programs also being moved to UND as the programs at NDSU have only been accredited in the last few years and frankly, these programs at UND are much better than the programs in Fargo. If we don't want duplication of the programs then that would be the obvious move. It won't happen because the reason it was created at NDSU in the first place was that there were too many athletes who wanted to major in business and wouldn't buy into the Tri-college system. If there is going to be serious discussion to eliminate duplication then there will need to be give and take and the athletic directors and athletic boosters can't be involed in the discussion or decisions. For that reason alone, I don't think it will happen unless the Fargo legislators can build a strong enough alliance to simply out vote the opposition to get their wishes. The Grand Forks legislators aren't united enough and don't have the same lobbying power the Fargo area legislators do.

Smith is a great candidate and would be an excellent choice. He is an excellent leader, a proven teacher, good communicator and good listener but no one's fool. I think would be very capable of leading UND through the Fighting Sioux issue (no matter how it turns out) and leading UND through the D1 transition without losing focus on what UND does best and that is education and positioning our students for life's opportunites and successes. The PC crowd won't be excited about him at first because he was an athlete but he has the personality to win them over. It will be interesting to see who else applies.

He will need time to develop, but he has great raw talent. The good thing about him being from Frazee was they didn't have a good FB team and he was able to stay under the radar. Lennon got to see him at the UND FB summer camp. He could play LB, DE, TE or WR depending on where they need him and how big he gets. Very bright kid and very classy kid. He will be a great addition to UND FB.

Good reply! Come through the Detroit Lakes area and the beers are on me. I appreciate a sense of humor.

Any truth to the rumor that he won't be able to go there because his ACT score is above 20???

Great kid, great player, team leader. Bright kid, so I hope he will get his degree no matter when he leaves. He is mentally tough enough to make the jump. Getting bigger physically will help. He will benefit from an extra year at UND in that he will get bigger physically and continue to improve his skills. The Blues know what he can do. The drop in scoring because of his thumb injury won't bother the Blues. I think he is one of the most impressive kids to come on the college hockey scene in the 35 years I have watched college hockey. Great hands, great vision, great team player and physically tough as hell. His dad seems like a bright guy and I am sure they will sit down and weigh the pros and cons. Best wishes to him whereever he goes (especially if he returns). There are some great kids coming into the program in the next couple of years and it would help them to be able to skate with him. He is a great example of how the game should be played. He is worth the price of your season tickets to watch him play if you are a hockey purist (whatever the hell that is).

UND has an excellent group of kids already commited (10). That is the same number listed in the Forum today that the AC has. This is the earliest I can remember we have had 10 kids committed and it looks like all ten kids are quality recruits. Word is this is looking like a banner year. Don't forget UND has typically not used the media to release this info by "leaking it" . I have read that both schools are looking to get about 15 kids.

Detroit lakes forward Joe Schiller has 10 goals and 14 assists in the first 6 games on a mediocore DL team this year. His has grown about 4 inches in the last year and added 10 lbs and is still growing. He is 6' tall and 176 lbs. He will need a year of Jr hockey, but has great hands and I think he had a good year this fall in the Elite league. So far only Alaska Anchorage of the WCHA is showing interest. UND may want to take a look at him and see what they think.