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That and the problem with scheduling. Have you noticed the list of schools who won't play us gets longer, not shorter.

I have no problem with what Goon says. He didn't refer to Kelly "soiling himself". I think the events recently have shown that Kelly and others (including those at the SBoHE ) who supported the name realized that the NCAA agreement was a done deal and there was nothing that Kelly would accomplish by chasing windmills or waving his sword. Comments that Kelly would "soil himself" is a cheap shot. One might infer from that comment that someone is calling him a coward. He also has no oportunity to defend himself. I believe it fits your definition. Criticize the guy if you wish but if you wish to call him names or make those comments tell him in person. I have seen no evidence that any of this would cause him to "soil himself" nor has he shown cowardice. He works for the SBoHE and they gave him his "marching orders". I don't think he is dumb enough to defy those instructions to placate people on a blog. He has a much more important job to do. The time for the president to act was during the Starcher, Clifford, Baker and Kupchella years. The NCAA didn't waste much time with the Governor, Attorney General, Kelly Faison, Carlson and whomever else went along for the ride. You really think Kelly could have done more by himself? If you do OK and we might just disagree.

That's a cheap shot. He just did a great job with a potential recruit last week when he was getting ready to make the wasted trip to the NCAA. I never once felt he was happy about the NCAA's decision but it was a done deal before he arrived here and he was told that when he got the job. He wore the Fighting Sioux logo last spring. Most of us could see we were screwed unless the tribes stepped up to the plate and one of them didn't. Blame them and their tribal council. It is past time to move on. Once the decision was removed from UND's authority, we were screwed. UND and the State Board supported the name and logo log after it became apparent we no longer controlled the outcome yet UND officials and the board have been ripped and criticized whether they have had any real involvement or not. I guess we all at times need a scape goat to direct our frustrations but it is time to move on. There are an awful lot of people who are impressed with Kelly and want him to be allowed to lead UND for the next few years. Doesn't mean I agree with every statement he has made nor every step he has taken but it is time to let it go. I will never do any business with the Standing Rock Tribal council nor ever set foot in their Casino and I doubt they care what I do but that was that organization that had time and could have made the decision that would have allowed us to keep the name.

Training facility is now a reality. Not sure about one or two phase but watch for news in next month. Hopefully will be able to break ground this fall but haven't heard. There will be no facilities in the area better for FCS level FB and UND will have facilities to rival many FBS teams.

It seems that in the letter from Evans she points out that just because the "victim" is accused of making false statements, and is accused of lying, and doesn't return for a hearing, she isn't guilty. Shouldn't the same standard be applied to Warner? Was he ever found guilty? Just because he was accused doesn't mean he is guilty.

Pretty clear this wasn't said. How you get from his statement to your conclusion is similar to what happens in the media and with blogs. People may infer or conclude whatever they wish without evidence then discussion continues based on a mistatement of facts.

Here is what we still have going. First of all ,I think we will be in the Big Sky. Either the NCAA will change their mind (I don't see that happening) or we will drop the name. Mollberg and his family aren't stupid. He wants to work with special needs kids. UND has a minor in special ed. NDSU has nothing in special ed. Usually one would major in either early childhood ed, elementary ed, or secondary ed with with a minor in Special Ed., UND offers a masters in special ed also. At NDSU if he wants to major in elementary ed. he gets his degree through Valley City State. His parents are teachers. Unless they and Joe have lost their minds or he has decided to major in Agriculture, Pharmacy or Engineering (I didn't cover everything) they don't have much else to compare with the quality of academics UND offers, especially business and accounting, nursing, Physical therapy, athletic training, medicine law, geography, aviation, etc. and clearly UND offers more to a future educator. His parents are two hard working innovative educators and although they all are likely attracted to the thought of only having to go to Fargo for games, I am sure his Dad (who played at Minn Duluth) sees the opportunity at UND of playing as a redshirt freshman or Soph vs playing behind Brock Johnson, then the Bismarck High kid then Wentz the 6' 5" QB coming in this fall from Bismarck Century. I have been told Bohl talks to the kid frequently (which is a violation of NCAA recruiting policy , unless the kids calls him) and I am sure hasn't discussed much about academics with the kid. They will likely tell him they can offer more than UND can academically and expect him to adjust his major to fit their programming. If he and his folks believe that then they aren't as smart as I thought. I would bet that Bohl has also pointed out to him and all recruits that are considering UND that UND won't have a conference and will be sanctioned by the NCAA. I would too if I were in their camp. That won't happen by the time Joe plays at UND so it is a non-issue for him. He has a great opportunity to step in at QB and lead UND into the D1AA or FCS division and that should be pretty exciting. The tradition of UND QB's is long and storied. He can be one of them and have a special place in the history of UND FB.

Ralph and his family cared for more than UND hockey and this has been generous to UND. He wasn't a fan of college admin types and certainly wasn't one to suffer fools. He did care for UND and the agreement with UND to lease the arena for $1 per year then the arena goes to UND after the 20 yrs (I think). There is nothing in that agreement that requires UND to keep the name or logo. The strength of UND's outside financial support comes from UND alumni. The community support is also important. ( our friends to the south benefit more from the Fargo community as oppsed to thier alumni). The name issue didn't get solved during Ralph's lifetime nor did either Tom Clifford nor Earl Strinden get the issue solved. This has been going on for a long time and now that it threatens UND hockey scheduling and the Bif Sky membership it must go. Fetch, you ever played any sport aboce the middle school level? I'm not saying those who have done so are better fans, but they sure will have a better understanding of the implications of this problem and they certainly prefer winning and championships to the name and logo. You seem to think the name and logo are more important. WE canb't allow UND to become a glorified community college so we can keep the name and logo. The donors like Ralph are important but so are the rest of the donors who give what they can when they can. It would be very unwise to piss off the UND Baseball, MBB, WBB, track, FB, tennis, golf and the hockey alumni smart enough to see the implications of the future problems with the hockey schedule. Anyone who thinks Al Carlson did us a favor is naive. He did this as a calculated risk and for political gain hoping his support of the name and even his disrespectful and unjust criticism of UND officials will garner him votes in the future. He is an NDSU jock sniffer who has been laughing with his teammaker pals at how he screwed us while at the same time posturing his own political future in a favorable light with those of us who would prefer to keep the name.

Good post. Funny how I don;t see Frank's name among the big donors to the athletic department. Maybe he uses a different name or vehicle. Frank took a cheap shot at UND officials without knowing what the hell he was talking about. Disagree with Kelly or Faison but get the facts straight.

The "people and the legislature" limited UND's options and created an untenable situation which forces UND to either suffer the consequences (which we can't afford to do) or else or fight our own legislature. The legislation has no effect on the NCAA and thus has not righted the wrong but has placed the future of UND athletics and especially the Big Sky membership and the schedule for future hockey games in jeopardy. How is any of tha t worth the name and logo? You and I have no influence over the NCAA and neither does our state legislature. This legislation has done nothing to forward the cause of the name but it has caused UND to be placed in a risky position as it pertains to conference membership for many sports and future scheduling for all sports. How much of that don't some understand and how is the name worth the risk at this late date. If we can get the tribes to change position then I am all for it but the rhetoric here does nothing to forward the cause.

They have done so, and that is why we have the settlement we do. The NCAA would have lost the initial lawsuit because they didn't follow there own rules but then would have won the second round. The settlement gave UND enough time. It was based on the feeling that 70% of Native Americans supported keeping the name and logo and the settlement gave them ample time to get their tribal councils to document that support. They obviously did not have this as high of a priority as we thought.

That is clearly a false statement. Kelly had nothing to do with it. Kelly was told when he interviewed the stettlement was done and he needed to deal with other issues. Get your facts straight! You can dislike him or criticize him but do it for the right reasons.

Read the forums on the Sioux name regarding the recent legislation and the Big Sky warning UND the name could be a problem.

"to date the Big Sky has not enacted any....". Are you serious? Would you really wait until they do?? it will be too late then! What the hell are they teaching UND students these days?? There was nothing "arrogant" in Sicatoka's post. His other posts on this subject are also spot on. The few of you who still don't see the threat to UND, UND athletics and even UND hockey just don't get it. UND's admission to the Big Sky is at risk. That is a fact. The Gophers and Badgers and now possibly the other Big Ten hockey schools may not play UND. The league is ultimately controlled by the presidents of the respective schools not the coaches or even AD's. The college preseidents basically run the NCAA. That is one reason the NCAA is hypocritical and inconsistent. These guys are PC types without the courage to solve the real issues of kids taking money, drug use and academic fraud. This is an issue they can and will win unless the Standing Rock Tribe saves the name. Maybe that is how it should be. The real Sioux can step up and fight for the name and logo or maybe we shouldn't be calling our athletic teams the Fighting Sioux. Are the supporters the feared fighters our announcers claim they are before our athletic events, or are they not interested enough to get things done. Some of you insulted those on this board who warned we would lose the Gophers and Badgers on the hockey schedule. That has come to pass. Some criticized those who were crazy enough to suggest our Big Sky membership might be in jeopardy if the name issue wasn't resolved either with NCAA approval or by complying with the agreement. That has come to pass. Write this down and see how this turns out: Hockey East and the other Big Ten hockey schools consider not playing UND if the issue isn't resolved. A few hundred people with a snootful of booze and the logo on thier shirts and hats have zero influence with the NCAA nor the college presidents who control these conferences, Dave Hakstol convinced enough people to lobby the state legislature but he won't be able to schedule some of the traditional hockey powers because of a name and logo. How smart was that? Which would you rather have: A great hockey schedule with no risk to our chances of winning and losing on the ice, or being able to sit at the end of the bar and shout to anyone who listens that we sure showed "them"( whomever them is). We will have all of the home and home series with St. Lawrence and Ferris State and maybe soon St. John's or Concordia. Quit wasting time criticizing UND officials for what you think but don't know about. Al Carlson is an NDSU guy who could care less about UND and in no way should he ever be elected to congress or the senate if you are a UND fan, He has helped create a disaster for UND and UND athletics and insulted Kelly. Doesn't matter if you like Kelly or not, Carlson is a jerk who is using the logo issue to try and position himself for future political gain. Some of us have been working to get support for the name and logo before some of the rest of you were even born. We have had plenty of time and the time is out and we didn''t get it done. During those last forty years we have won National and league championships in hockey, FB, WBB, and been a power in swimming in addition to the other successes. The name hasn't won one game, scored one point, nor blocked one puck. I think it is a great name and logo but our athletes, coaches, and the University are more important than the name. I can't tell you what all the other schools and conferences will do over the next few years but I can say with conviction that if we are sanctioned by the NCAA and the name stays we won't be getting any teams who will come calling to get us on their schedule because the name stays. You want to win games or do you want to win a pissing contest with the NCAA and the PC crowd? Frankly I don't hang with those types when I can help it. I would rather associate with those who are on the field, the ice, the courts and are competing. We need to quit screwing a dead horse here and move on because soon it will be too late. We need to support the board and UND officials who are trying to get this dumb-ass legislation reversed. It has done nothing for the name and has put UND athletics and the University at risk potentially for years to come.

The Big Sky fiasco may have doomed our chances. This kid would have been an ideal fit if he doesn't go to Iowa or N. Illinois. No way any kids commit if we don't have a conference and some stability with very few exceptions. The delay in our practice faciltiy is also a hinderance. NDSU will be sending a big thank you to the state legislators who screwed up the name issue for UND. I would guess they are giddy down in the cow pasture.

The Mollberg kid from Detroit Lakes is making visits to Northern Illinois and Iowa this month. Off Coord from Iowa thinks he has big time arm and may be good find on a kid under the radar.

I believe there is truth to that story. The the elder Mayo was also an Army Surgeon and had access to corpses. That was a time when medicine was just starting to be regulated and transitioning from the Barber/Doctor who may send for his mail order degree to licensed and physicians trained by accredited schools.

The negotiations are ongoing and the $10,000,000 is still on the table from what I understand. The relationship between Mayo and Altru won't affect the support Sanford is willing to commit to in supporting the University of North Dakota nor UND atheltics. Sanford is sponsoring the UND Siouxper Swings for the second year this summer. Sanford and Mayo have a number of mutually beneficial relationships, including use of the Mayo laboratory services, pathology services, and the relationship between Mayo and the Roger Maris Cancer center. With regards to other comments on this subject, I think this relationship with Altru and Mayo is intriguing. I wish Mayo would have purchased Altru. The electronic and telehealth services referenced by others have been available and used in this area for a number of years by others. I understand that a lot of that technology was developed by the US military. Many people don't realize how much of the technology developed by and for our military is used in other industries and the medical field especially has benefitted. The Mayo story is fascinating and if any one is interested the book "Brothers Mayo" is an interesting story of how a small group of Catholic nuns convinced the Mayo brothers father to staff a small hospital in Rochester over 100 years ago. The two boys Will and Charlie subsequently went to medical school at Michigan State and Rush University before returning home to Rochester. Many of the techniques for record keeping was developed by Mayo staff and an internist named Plummer developed or invented a number of technologies used to make record keeping and communication more efficient. What the Mayo brothers did was to travel the world to learn new surgical procedures and techniques that they then brought home to Rochester. Eventually they developed a reputation such that surgeons from around the world began traveling to Rochester to observe techniques and procedures developed by them. Mayo was one of the first, if not the first, to utilize the style of specialists working together in one organiziation. Mayo has a world class reputation and has been around for over 100 years. Mayo has been on the cutting edge of medical technology and research for many years. The Mayo Foundation (I believe) has over a billion $ in assets. Having said that, Sanford is a also world class health care organization but does not yet have the world class reputation even close to that of Mayo. Merit Care/ Sanford have had Cardiology services, Oncology services (Roger Maris Cancer Center) and Urology services to name three that have been ranked amoung our country's best by US New and World Report and other ranking services. Sanford's diabetes research is doing some cutting edge stuff and recently found a way to get the pancreas of diabetic mice to reproduce insulin. Human trials are recently underway. Sanford is building Pediatric clinics in underserved areas around the world and around the country . Don't sell Sanford or Altru short. When I was doing my residency, residents form Mayo's family medicine residency were sent to the UND Family Medicine residency in GF for their OB rotations because the rotation for Family medicine residents at Mayo was substandard. Doesn't mean every patient has had their expectations met. When I was at Mayo that didn't occur either and still doesn't, but to insinuate Sanford Health is not a player in providing top notch health care to rural areas would not be accurate.

This poster hasn't a clue. UND is a great "get" for the Big Sky. The AC, USD and SDSU would also have been great additions. UND has discussed the Big Sky option since the 1970's. That has always been UND's first choice. Until it wasn't an option, it had been the first choice of the AC. Both schools should have moved up in the 1970's but didn't. Both schools are where they are and both seem happy. Both schools are coveted by FCS conferences because of the respective budgets and quality of athletic programming. Montana doesn't "rule the Big Sky", they happen to have the better MBB and FB in the past few years and have the budget and facilities that many others don't. UND will fit in nicely for those reasons. UND has never and never will need the AC any more than the AC needs UND. UND would not prefer the Gateway/Summit now nor in the past. Had that been the only option, UND likely would have chosen that route. Fortunately for UND the timing was right and the Big Sky option was there.

That would be correct.

Will not happen. He won't go the the Air Force Academy. Brewster who had been at Minnesota told them about him because he can run the veer and he could run their offense. Northern Illinois now coming after him also. Best education for which major??? Ag is better at your Ag College or SDSU. Business, Accounting, Entrepreneurship programs probably better at UND. Education and coaching better at UND or SDSU. Engineering might be a wash depending on which Engineering. Nursing better at UND. Pharmacy better at your ag School in Fargo. Air Force is the one school that has an aviation program that can compete with UND for recruits. Don't sell these schools short. Air Force Academy is a great school but so are the other three. Grads from the two Dakota Ag Schools and The University of North Dakota are highly recruited because of the so called midwestern work ethic and the excellent reputation of the schools.

Most of the Plains Indians consider the Buffalo sacred. (They know the Bison suck). Some tribes also consider the eagle, the beaver, the skunk, and other animals sacred. Different tribes had different beliefs. My old roommates, (one is now a judge and the other a prosecuting attorney) always considered the beaver sacred but they weren't Native American.

Point well taken

I think that there are a couple of things that are worth while to remember. First of all the SBoHE is taking postive steps again on behalf of the name. (doesn't matter why) Shaft correctly pointed out that Faison testified as he did based on what he was told by his boss. You can dislike him or criticize him but do it for the right reasons. Nothing bad can happen because of this effort and I think this is well worth the energy. If we are going to get the NCAA to move on this issue in favor of the name, this is probably the best shot we have. I think the message that everyone involved is going to go as a team in a joint effort is important. I would not include any of the oppontnets. This is a lobbying effort on behalf of the name, not some "sham fact finding" championed by some of the opponents.

I believe it is called Hail to the Victors.