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I agree that none of them were ready and your point is good that if only one of them had to play, their lack of readiness could have been covered by a Reyes or other more experienced guy. I think that Rastas played his guts out and is smart enough to know the D, and IF he puts on 20 pounds, he will be able to handle the job. But with Larson and Rodgers hopefully there next year, he will be a nice backup.

2 things I heard in the last two weeks: Carson Wentz sat for 3 years before getting a starting job at that school south of us. Aaron Rodgers was NOT recruited much out of HS and went JUCO for 2 years. I think sometimes we get too excited about flashy recruits when it's these types of guys who can make your team. Of course, both are QB's and that makes their progress more noticeable. Anyone on the current roster that may be under the radar that we never talk about?

How about McKinney and Greibel? Are they going to contribute?

It was probably an excuse made up by Bubba's backers as most of us want a mediocre team and will excuse anything.

He means if you have a bad season caused by incredible injuries you MUST ignore the injuries and you MUST fire the coach and if you disagree you have LOW EXPECTATIONS for the team.

This is your version of the truth, plain and simple. Everyone's entitled to and to express it here; I did it a lot on the hockey section as I felt Hak, after 10 years, needed to go. I get it, but it's way too soon to suggest that Bubba should go.

But in the winter we'd pile up snow so we had something to dive into . Imagined we were playing at the old Met in MPLS

UNDFootball360 liked Eric J. Burton TSD‏ @goon4812h12 hours ago More Eric J. Burton TSD Retweeted UNDFootball360 Over on Sioux Sports, they want coach Paul Rudolph fired, yesterday. He was an assistant coach when I was a freshman at Upper Iowa, I think he's a good coach. Personally, he pushed us as players to get better every day.

Thank you for this. Sometimes numbers do not support perceptions. I thought Muss had a high flying pass all the time O here. And a throwing QB next year could make 50 yards per game diff on his own. Also, our receivers have very little YAC and that could change next year too IF the QB leads the WR and the WR has more speed like McKinney Greibel .

I was referring to Brian Kelly.

He did. But he also changed his own ways too. Yes, a rebound IS necessary and I believe it will happen.

So if he gets fired, where do you see the program? How many of Ott, Larson and others leave for other places? How many of the recruits who verballed are gone? How long before the next guy gets us to where we were last year and likely would have gotten without all the injuries?

I don't think we have massive problems and I'm on this blog daily. I hope the recruits can see that some disgruntled fans think it's the coaches' fault we had injuries and a sucky season.

I don't care if they come from Mars, but get them. Doing more in Colorado and it appears Askew may have some in Missouri.

No one likes the injury excuse as many call for the head of players and coaches. To put injuries in perspective, Florida St was a top 10 team coming into the season. They lose their QB (one player) and now suck. Bama is still rolling but the loss of 4 LB's is starting to show. Our injuries were numerous and all over the field but this season sucked because it's the culture and it's players not caring and it's drugs and it's poor play calling and I hated what happened, but it still gets back to injuries. (CUE the guys who say I don't have high enough standards and just want to accept a mediocre team.)

He would and yet, around here, Schmitt's D gets a pass (and I agree that it's injuries) but a shoddy OLine in a run first offense still yielded 400 yards a game?? Not bad.

Who is being cleaned? Players, coaches both?

The new recruit signing period is Dec 20-22. Need to get our shat together now.

With more mobility than one, I hope.

We need beasts. Any of the guys who are played a lot this year destined for beasthood? Rooney is one I think.

RSFrs Jeremy Jenkins, Conner Kruse and Will Prine gonna be anything. Jenkins listed as 6'7" 275. Kruse 6'6" 295.Prine 6'6" 255. Add a few lbs to each?

I think a stronger armed QB and a stronger OL will be the main differences next year.

UND Football 360 tweets that there was a team meeting today to talk about all facets of the team on and off the field.

Very good. I believe EWU, a pretty good team, had 89 yards in the 2nd half. Looking for silver linings in a cloudy season there's some, and when you consider that hopefully, many who were stopping them in the 2nd half yesterday will be backups, then you can have hope for this D next year. I liked the O going no huddle. We can still get the ball to the big 3 and Gordon with that type of formation. Hoping McKinney, Greibel and Izzy get going next year too.

Didn't make it, but I was wrong-they were down 1. Going for the W