Cratter

I saw this posted at UND too.

Go back? I wasn't aware that they ever just supported their own team without ripping on their old rival. I'm interested to know what years those were? When did cheering/attending UND for NDSU start to make someone a "ND sports lover"?

With no GF, there'd be no University. Because after all it was a citizen that lived in Grand Forks that submitted a bill that called for a university in Grand Forks. Its the citizens of GF that make UND what it is. Its not the citizens of GF fault that the UND officials want the students to "clean up their act."

Welcome NEWBIE. Obviously you really are that stupid.. learn to take a "joke." Lay off the liquor and graduate from HS.

Somone get the government a job. They got way to much time on their hands.

How about we call it a draw. DIAA=D1 Hockey.

and it didn't matter, because they knew they were going Division I. They ignored what the consultants told them. Plain and Simple.

You realize that the pollsters take that into account when they decided to include NDSU into the top 25 right? And I think if you were to give NDSU Texas's schedule you would see a 0-50 season at best and no top 25 finish. NDSU has a scholarship advantage and so do those other teams in AA, so Duh those AA teams would be better. . I find it odd that the almight AA division would be SO STRONG that a first year AA team would even come close to finishing in the top 25. (da bison) Three years ago what would a bisons fans answer been? Probably the same as a Sioux fans. We can go in this circle all night if you want.

and you didn't post this under the thread titled UND's DI review committee why? I know, i know, who made me the thread police.

That kind of gap.

You mean "to sum up then:" and your giving me lessons. UND fans agree NDSU is probably better than them right now. It would be foolish to think otherwise. But it is also foolish for NDSU fans to think that if UND didn't move up with NDSU at the same time that they couldn't be doing just as good as the Bison are now if not better. Based upon the facts that UND was generally better than NDSU the last few years they played.

Arbitrary: as in it is my personal individual judegement that every division gets better as you would assume "going up." As in: you can only argue, of which many people may do, as to which division is "better," because you can never base it on facts. Lets say the champion of AA plays the champion of D2 and the D2 team wins (at the end of the season). Does that make D2 "better." I'd say no, some might say yes, but it is arbitrary = individuals judgements. Do you get it now? That might be to much thought for you. Your rationale thoughts seem to be few and far between. You have to try and not assume what people mean.

Why do you keep backing up Sioux fans arguments? Snaggles was asking a question as he didn't know the answer. Heres what he also wrote Sultan wrote as you even quoted. BigGame again said it was a jump, but it was minor like many Sioux fans believe. I, Cratter, wrote also Jim will thank you later for backing up his points.

Well put Jim.

You say Baloney, but then back up my point and agree with what I'm saying? Realize that this being a Sioux Sports site that when a say "a division 2 team" I am generally talking about UND. When I said "just moved" I meant given a time frame of 2-4 years. Within that time frame, UND and NDSU would/should/could be ranked in the top 25, and again you seem to backup the point by saying that with this division 2 UND team that they could possibly be ranked. Now add in a few years, and you have yourself a very successful "just moved up" DIAA team. That is what UND fans are saying. That the measuring stick isn't the NDSU vs UM game, but how easily UNC did in their first year (I realize they are struggling now, but they were never very good in their last years of D2), SDSU, and how NDSU are doing now. You can not argue those facts. Those teams just moved up and are becoming ranked the first few years in the top 25 during the season. It is not that big of a jump. Your kidding yourself if you don't think UND could do the same if not better than NDSU currently does (did).

The fact is everyone knows AA is "better" than D2. Every division you go up gets arbitrarily better, as one would assume. The question isn't whether one team from one division can beat another team from another division in a game, but game in and game out can a team that has just moved to AA from D2 not only beat those teams, but even ranked among those top 20 (25) teams within a few years. And the answer seems to be yes. That is the measuring stick, not the NDSU vs UM game. That sir shows there is not that great of a gap between the two divisions. A gap: Yes. A wide gas (as some NDSU fans want UND fans to believe): No.

Exactly my point. If you don't purchase that pass you have to pay per game. A few years ago everystudent paid that fee so all the games were "free" for them except tournaments, so they didn't need to purchase the pass. That is one of the main reasons you will see less students attending athletic events than you use to.

The students now have to pay per individual games in GF, unlike the way it might have been back in "your hayday." Something like the student activity fee isn't automatically added anymore for every student.

Dave, Heres the part people don't understand about you. "the past?" The facts of the situation show that the GF championship dominance is NOT in the past but the present, but you keep thinking and calling it the past. How is a Grand Forks team winning the state Championship the past 9 out of 11 years the past? Along with the last three? And why do you think South has a better future than RR or Central? Do you have any factual basis besides they have "good years" (based on South standards)? Serious question. "Not a my sons pee wee teams are dominating the gf teams. South beat Moorehead one year."

and that speaks volumes about the programs there.

Good. Lil of his own medicine. How's it feel Bubba? I love this quote.

I think your missing the important point.. And I have possed the question a thousand times, where do other schools get the money? If they can do it so can UND. I am willing to bet there are at least 5 other current AA schools that are no better off financially than UND currently is. Lets cut the bull...UND will be Division I fairly soon. Whether you or I want it to be.

You my friend need to seriously need to take another look around. You are barely worth this post. Talk is cheap and you do a lot of it. You back up nothing of what you speak with facts. You claimed South would win a championship last year cause once again they were "the best" and the '80s" dominance of GF was over, but I came back and proved FACTS that it was indeed not over blah blah blah the dominance is shifting blah blah blah anything to prove that? blah blah blah.....I will predict right now South will win the championship . People who cheer for the Grand Forks teams know how to win and are use to it, but they don't brag about how good their regular season is like certain people and teams. They are also smart enough to know anyone could win in the state tournament. I will once again bring up your favorite Fact: 1995 - Grand Forks 1996 - Grand Forks 1997 - Grand Forks 1998 - Grand Forks 1999 - South 2000 - Grand Forks 2001 - Grand Forks 2002 - Grafton 2003 - Grand Forks 2004 - Grand Forks 2005 - Grand Forks

Ditto.

You never discussed that he may make more money at Mankato.