The Sicatoka

So not Section 8, but still "hockey rich area".

Let's break the 15 into categories: "Duckies, bunnies, rainbows, and unicorns" - Sundogs, Pride "Intangible nouns" - Spirit, Force, Blaze, Fighting Green, Nodaks "Raptor" - Green Hawks, Fighting Hawks, Thunder Hawks "Geography/Astronomy" - North Dakota, North Stars "People" - Cavalry, Explorers, Roughriders

So a northern Minnesotan (Section 8?) knew the name of a school that is known for HS hockey in ND. A hockey rich area knew a strong neighboring hockey team's name. Not surprised. But I'll bet you they can't name Fargo North and Wahpeton.

Tim Raines and Gary Carter rule!

First, please don't say "North Dakota". Please say "no nickname", because that's what it is. Semantics? Maybe. But "North Dakota" can not be the nickname as "Dakota" is a tribal name and open to sanction. A blank space (no nickname) is not a tribal name. (It's also not all that marketable, but that's for another day.) Secondly, we've heard some theories on why "North Dakota" is on that list. As dagies said, "Because if (Kelley) came out right now and said "I've checked with the NCAA and they said selecting no nickname would satisfy the agreement" there would be such a groundswell that it would destroy the process of selecting an actual nickname." That's one theory. An alternate theory of why no statement would be that by eliminating the no nickname option some quarters would be up in arms that the NCAA is sticking it to UND and forcing UND into something, again.

I agree with your last sentence. The only problem? The NCAA general assembly has since voted to give the NCAA executive committee vast and far reaching powers to rule (I won't even call it govern) in matters of this nature. Today's non-existent rules are tomorrow's executive committee arbitrary and capricious edicts.

I read Chewey's past opinions about how the Spirit Lake lawsuit was going to win in Federal court over the NCAA. I actually attended sessions in Judge Ralph Erickson's courtroom. I saw how the NCAA attorneys and how a Federal judge views these matters, first hand. Given that track record, I temper my belief in Chewey's opinions posted here.

Your last "yes", to "By not selecting a new name and being "North Dakota" UND can still unofficially be known as the Fighting Sioux?" is my concern. I believe (opinion alert) that the NCAA will come back at UND with the word "new" from the settlement agreement and say "nothing" is not "new" and stick it to us ... again. I'm not willing to go down this fiasco path again.

That article has some phrases that need mention here:

How long until "Green Hawks" becomes "Green Horns". That's why. And that's why you choose a nickname. You choose a nickname. You choose a nickname (and a blank is not a nickname).

Source: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/PressArchive/2005/Announcements/NCAA%2BExecutive%2BCommittee%2BIssues%2BGuidelines%2Bfor%2BUse%2Bof%2BNative%2BAmerican%2BMascots%2Bat%2BChampionship%2BEvents.html So, having a tribal name in school name (University of North Dakota) isn't the NCAA's issue. That's beyond their control. Having a tribal name in "references in their intercollegiate athletics programs" (see: nicknames and mascots for athletics) is the National Collegiate Athletics Association's issue and focal point, and in their realm of (micromanaging) control.

Duby? Incentive laden contract. Why? I still think he's a "1A", not a "#1", goalie.

You didn't say "Dakota" (the tribe name). It escapes. (Again, not my arbitrary and capricious rules.)

Not in the eyes of the people that made the (admittedly arbitrary and capricious) rules.

I'll state this also: If "North Dakota" is on that list, and intends to mean really "no nickname", I'd like to see a document from the NCAA saying that "no nickname" (a blank space) complies with the settlement agreement in their point of view so we don't repeat this fiasco. One final statement: Pick a new nickname. A blank space is not good enough.

North Dakota State University -- formal name Bison -- nickname

" ... transition to a new nickname and logo ... " I'll state this: "North Dakota" as a nickname would be new (and redundant), but it would also violate the "no tribal names" policy that got us here.

The University of North Dakota is transitioning to a new nickname. There is no recognized nickname at this time.

Chewey said, "University of North Dakota North Dakota" By that statement -- Formal name: University of North Dakota Nickname: North Dakota And there's a nickname with a tribe name (Dakota) in it. Sanctions.

I'd say your estimate is 15-18 years high. I'd guess 2-5 years they'd start advocating.

Pretty good that I already responded to your response, eh?

This is where people jump in and say ... We'd be the University of North Dakota < no nickname here > . And any objectively thinking person can see the meddling, power-mongering, crush anyone who dare challenge us NCAA response to that will be: Once they deem us culpable, they'll put us back on the sanctions list gleefully. That's the reality.

Chewey, here's the undeniable problem with "University of North Dakota North Dakota": < formal institution name > < athletics nickname/mascot > For example ... U of Minnesota Gophers U of Miami Hurricanes In a "University of North Dakota North Dakota" world - the formal name is "University of North Dakota" - the nickname is "North Dakota" Oh, wait ... the nickname now includes Dakota ... and Dakota is a tribal name. That's in violation of the settlement agreement --> back on the sanctions list. A tribal name in a formal name is fine, see U of Iowa* or U of Sioux Falls or U of Miami**, but a tribal name in a nickname is sanctions. *Iowa is named for the Kiowa tribe. **the Miami tribe

After Game 4: 145 - Ray77 101 - The Sicatoka 100 - UND-RedSox fan 74 - andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! 70 - MafiaMan 60 - jimdahl 54 - fight on Sioux

Now you know how the Niagra ... NIAGARA ... University Purple Eagles feel.