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Thus you do not know truth, as truth is conformity (alignment) of mind and reality.

Guess what. I have no affiliation to either of those. In your scenario my days as a season ticket holder to a home team housed in REA: done. And I suspect I'd not be alone.

The pen she has most control over is the Engelstad Family Foundation (EFF). The other organizations are contractually bound to UND. Yes, there is some 'play' in those also. With the EFF pen, since 2015 (the last $2M installment of a $20M endowment) there has been $20,000 that I can find in Form 990s. (Haven't found a 2017 990 for EFF yet.)

Dang. That's like Gibraltar.

I'll help again: Bubs went on record favoring Nodaks. (It's out there.)

Dare I speculate the old saw: talk is cheap; it takes money to buy whiskey.

The day you try to kill me, don't miss; I don't. Like daddy taught me: Never shoot first; always shoot last. It's public information that Strinden favored Nodaks (was in the Herald) and he's on the board of at least one entity. So, complete the information package.

Source? PS - Isn't Nodak dangerously close to the NCAA "RENO*" rule that got us here? PPS - What the heck would the logo be ... PPPS - If you're correct, why didn't REA come riding in with the white hat on the white horse with a fabulous nickname and logo and save us all from this? *No nicknames based on Race, Ethnicity, or National Origin (RENO)

Yes, it is the arena's name, but they're giving up prime advertising space on the floor to put on the arena name*? Ohhhh-kaaaay. *Betty Engelstad Sioux Center <-- say the magic word

No, geaux, it's common urban legend. It got so far that not only the Nevada Gaming Commission, but the FBI, looked into "sympathizer" allegations. The FBI said there was nothing there.

I'm not sure who posted it but I believe I read here somewhere the Engelstad Family Foundation finished out their $20 million gift ($2 million per for 10 years) a while back and has donated less than the cost of a new car since. Someone please verify. EDIT: Guess who found the Form 990 for 2016 for the Engelstad Family Trust ... Engelstad Family Foundation EIN: 80-6008137 http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/806/806008137/806008137_201612_990PF.pdf A cursory reviews show they gave the UND Foundation $20,000 in 2016. They gave $37,500 to UNLV club hockey and the UNLV Foundation $3,090,000. They gave $17,500 to Ralph Engelstad Arena? It's in there. I'm really learning to love Form 990s. <--- That said, methinks I may have de facto given @RobPort a new toy.

I serve on the board of an organization that files Form 990. Your assessment is correct for at least my case: We, as a board, review revenues and determine how much "excess revenue" is returned and how much is retained.

Form 990 for 2017 for REA-related organizations .... UND Arena Services EIN: 14-1846178 UND Sports Facilities EIN: 36-4511153 Ralph Engelstad Arene EIN: 11-3666663 UND Arena Services "mission or most significant activities": MANAGING AND PROVIDING STEWARDSHIP AND OVERSIGHT SERVICES WITH RESPECT TO THE OWNERSHIP, OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE OF ATHLETIC FACILITiES FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH DAKOTA ATHLETIC DEPARTMENT, AND ENGAGING IN ANY OTHER CHARITABLE, EDUCATIONAL, OR SCIENTIFIC ACTIVITY AS PERMITTED BY IRC SECTION 501(C)(3) UND Arena Services made one Form 990 Schedule I grant last year to ... RE Arena Inc ... of $1,175,803. So one entity moved funds to another. UND Sports Facilities: TO MANAGE A SPORTS ARENA FOR THE BENEFIT OF UND SPORTS FACILITIES, INC Ralph Engelstad Arena Inc: TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN A MULTIPURPOSE SPORTS AND ENTERTAINMENT ARENA IN GRAND FORKS, NORTH DAKOTA, PRIMARILY USED FOR UNIVERSITY OF NORTH DAKOTA ATHLETICS AND ACTIVITIES Ralph Engelstad Arena made monetary support to UND Athletics of $751,469 (Schedule A). Schedule R, Part V.2 shows business transactions between the various entities (UND AS, RE Arena, UND). And now it seems there's a FOURTH entity (as found in the RE Arena 990, Schedule R, Part I: ARENA HOLDINGS CHARITABLE LLC ARENA HOLDINGS CHARITABLE LLC: THIS SINGLE MEMBER LLC OWNS THE RE ARENA AND IS THE LESSEE OF THE LAND I can't seem to find a Form 990 for ARENA HOLDINGS CHARITABLE which seems odd given the name. However, I can find litigation they were involved in after the arena fire a couple years back (and some other cases).

We apparently already have the three committees! And they have voted! *The committees are the Board of Directors of each of these, and their names are listed in the forms (on page 7 of each): UND Arena Services EIN: 14-1846178 UND Sports Facilities EIN: 36-4511153 Ralph Engelstad Arene EIN: 11-3666663

That's retired (or moved to the whatever-they-call-it collection they dodder out every now and then).

Fine, that's half way, are you willing to state truth to complete the journey? "The eternal notion of truth, conformity of thought with reality, impels us to say: This displeases me and annoys me, but it is none the less true." -- Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange, O. P.* UND's nickname is Fighting Hawks and the logo we have for it is the logo we have. Thought. Reality. Truth. *He is one of the greatest neo-Thomists since, well, St. Thomas Aquinas (the original Thomist) defined truth as "conformity of mind with reality", and philosophy has yet to overcome that.

Personally, to get it all associated, I believe center court should look something like this. And admittedly, this wouldn't work for hockey (different surfaces). It puts it all in one visual space so it all gets associated mentally. And yes, I took some liberties with the fonts and such.

That guy on the left should wear a mask.

You do realize that you refute yourself by actually casting in the pieces to make the N. To put in those pieces your mind had to have conceptualized the N in there. Thus, you did see an N. Ergo, that's an N. Other stylized Ns.

Refused? The man offered 9 different meeting dates in the window proffered. And the dates are spread out no less. Combine this with her statement to the GF Herald of "it's not about the logo" versus what her emails reveal (it's about the logo) and I find Ms. McGarry's credibility to be somewhat deficient at this juncture.

I'm pretty sure there are GF Central alums, pre-Knights, pre-Maroon (?), on this forum.

Alerus already made some significant moves. Yes, the turf remains to be resolved. I'd expect that to happen with the MVFC transition in 2020. http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/4324402-und-ramping-branding-alerus-center

Jones probably couldn't say anything anyway until spring semester is ov... nevermind.

I wonder if the NCAA has taken notice of this adventure in playing surface logos yet. You'd hate for an "inspection team" from the NCAA offices show up at REA and look to verify that REA is living up to the settlement agreement that they signed. You know folks like that would find some itty-bitty little thing that's not fully to the agreement and then push.

And this from the man who finally broke down from Nike and went with the department wide Adidas deal. http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/4446387-emails-show-kennedy-engelstad-feud-centered-logo-betty