The Sicatoka

You quote the story. I'll quote the dictionary. If they are using a cartoon horse image for the kids club, why not call it "Renegade"? Why bring in a new name/word for the horse (when they already have a horse with a name that they could make a "soft" image of)? Like the author of the article said, say "Seminole, Cimarron, Seminole, Cimmaron" a few times. This is preparation.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/361032/group/Opinion/

I'll bet $5 on "more than six".

If/When that day happens, what happens next? The NCAA puts FSU on the "hostile and abusive" list, i.e., the NCAA comes for FSU. No matter the causality, FSU is setting themselves up with a future option. And why would they do that if they weren't concerned at some level. (If they just wanted a horsey mascot for their kids club why wouldn't they use Osceola's horse Renegade? Why instead bring in "Cimarron"? The answer to that question is the answer. ) I suggest you find a new dictionary. http://dictionary.re...browse/cimarron

Oh. My. I'm selling all my beer equities immediately!

For a man with a $250k war chest, and the mission of protecting UND, we sure haven't heard much more from Tim O'Keefe of the UND Alumni Association ... yet.

UND fans understand that. Others may learn the hard way later.

MS and SC have state laws passed by the state legislatures that involve required use of the Confederate flag. In response the NCAA will not schedule events in either state. To summarize: State law got state wide sanctions from the NCAA. Pretty simple. Actually ... Too. Easy. Even Josh Hamilton would stand back and be impressed by the overt demonstration of raw "crush".

Agreed. That's why I qualified my list with "UND guys ... " If someone like Mel Pearson were to call ... uh-duh ...

Re-reading that position posting, of UND alumni coaching today, I'm not sure who fits all of it, specifically the Required Qualifications: Required Qualifications: • Bachelors' degree • Experience Working under NCAA Rules and Regulations • Interpersonal and Communications Skills • Experience Coaching/developing defensemen at the NCAA D1 level or above • Experience with in-game bench management of defensemen at the NCAA D1 level or above • Experience evaluating and recruiting players at NCAA D1 level or above • Experience with coaching/developing specialty teams play at the NCAA D1 level or above • Experience in the area of video breakdown and analysis at the NCAA D1 level or above • Playing experience as a defensemen at the NCAA D1 level • Experience designing and executing on-ice practice at the NCAA D1 level or above • Must have a thorough knowledge of and commitment to compliance and follow all NCAA, conference and UND rules and regulations • Must provide support and encouragement and ensure the safety and well being of student-athletes • Criminal History Background check Preferred Qualifications: • Playing experience as a defensemen at the NHL level • Coaching experience as a defensemen at the NHL level David Hale - No DI coaching experience Dane Litke - No DI coaching experience UND guys I see fitting into that (because of the minimum DI coaching experience criteria) are: Brad Berry John Marks (and I'd be shocked if it was John Marks) Jason Herter (why would he leave UMD?) James Patrick (why would he leave Buffalo-NHL?)

If new divisions were created I'd guess all rules like that would come under review for a new alignment.

Seriously? Go back on this board to the 2000 to 2007 timeframe. I'm as staunch for the moniker as it comes. (Back then fourwindsboy wasn't so fond of me.) Then came the settlement and the unwinnable war. And I started to see and realize the real price that sanctions would bring. I guess I'm right there with Dave Hakstol and Tim O'Keefe. I'll ride with them.

Why so angry today? You've been putting out every notion you've had today, uncensored. You're also being refuted on your points. Is that the problem?

Ask someone who's lived in north Grand Forks, Devils Lake, or Wahpeton less than 10 years what the moniker of the local high school is. You'll hear "Knights", "Firebirds", or "Huskies". They've never heard of "Redskins", "Satans", or "Wops". That's also what the influx of people in the west will bring.

Fetch, you're off the rails. I've asked the board Administrator to review and moderate.

Those are stages of grief and mourning, not necessarily death. You're slowly coming to grips that the moniker could end and UND would carry on.

Now that's a direct, personal attack. Noted. PS - Is Dave Hakstol one of the "weird-o's" too? Just want to be clear.

Fetch: Your random ranting just shows me that you are progressing (or maybe struggling internally) on your walk along the Kubler-Ross grief model.

Fetch: Your random ranting just shows me that you are progressing (or maybe struggling internally) on your walk along the Kubler-Ross grief model.

If the state grows as predicted, what guarantee is there that today's demographics will be tomorrow's demographics? Someone's making some big assumptions about the future. Sanctions are here and now.

Those are fine thoughts and theories (that I'm sure are quite as relevant as the price of tea in China to this discussion), but I live in a world where UND is under sanctions here and now. That needs to be dealt with here and now.

To know comparable schools you'd need to know more about a school than "it has a hockey team" or is it "there's a school associated with that hockey team?"

ND is sick of this issue. There are a lot of voters seeing this as a way to put it to bed.

You're confusing too many side issues. Here's the core: On August 5, 2005, the NCAA set a new policy regarding Native America related monikers. It had nothing to do with Mr. Engelstad, changing divisions, conferences, or anything else. The NCAA set a new rule for their members. Their club. Their rules.

No, those are NCAA DII and DIII schools. NCAA sanctions still apply. They could shun UND because of the moniker.