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Using Moy's criteria as specified on the USCHO sight yesterday, the Sioux are now in the NCAA tournament no matter what happens in the remaining WCHA tournament games. In order for the Sioux to have been eliminated from the NCAA tourny, Michigan Tech would have had to win out, and the Sioux would have had to lose in the 3rd place game to Minnesota. Since Michigan Tech lost tonight to Wisconsin, the outside chance that the Sioux would have been left out of the NCAA is no longer a possibility.

Now let's go after a #1 seed (which is still possible), or at least a #2 seed.

LET'S GO SIOUX!!!

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Not sure I completely trust the pwr predictor tool on USCHO. I ran a number of comparisons prior to the play-in game that had Wisconsin winning the WCHA tourney, and there were scenerios where UND would just miss the NCAA tourney. Can't seem to find any now.

How about this for a conspiracy theory, lets plug in these results in the tool:

  • CCHA Semifinal #2: Michigan State defeats Michigan.
  • CCHA Semifinal #1: Lake Superior defeats Notre Dame.
  • CCHA Championship game: Lake Superior defeats Michigan State.
  • CCHA Consolation game: Notre Dame defeats Michigan.
  • ECACHL Semifinal #2: Dartmouth defeats Clarkson.
  • ECACHL Semifinal #1: St. Lawrence defeats Quinnipiac.
  • ECACHL Championship game: St. Lawrence defeats Dartmouth.
  • ECACHL Consolation game: Clarkson defeats Quinnipiac.
  • Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston College defeats Boston University.
  • Hockey East Semifinal #1: Massachusetts defeats New Hampshire.
  • Hockey East Championship game: Boston College defeats Massachusetts.
  • WCHA Semifinal #2: St. Cloud State defeats North Dakota.
  • WCHA Semifinal #1: Wisconsin defeats Minnesota.
  • WCHA Championship game: Wisconsin defeats St. Cloud State.
  • WCHA Consolation game: Minnesota defeats North Dakota.
  • Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Army defeats Connecticut.
  • Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Air Force defeats Sacred Heart.
  • Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Air Force defeats Army.

UND ends up with the 12th seed and there are 4 auto births below them. The team at #13 is Maine which owns two road wins against the Sioux and wins the head-to-head comparison. Now, in an effort to avoid subjecting hockey fans to the "hostile and abusive" UND name and logo the NCAA selection committee decides to give Maine the last spot instead of the Sioux. Can't happen ? After seeing how the football team dropped from #2 to #3 I wouldn't rule it out.

If pwr is strictly used and the predicator tool is accurate I can't seem to find any possibility of the Sioux getting knocked out.

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The FSN crew was talking about someone from Wisco (player, coach) saying that if they won 2 of 3, the committee might put them in the tourney since they are defending champs. That's back to the smoke filled room days, if the committee starts making arbitrary decisions then mathematical ratings are going down the tubes. Can't see it happening.

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Not sure I completely trust the pwr predictor tool on USCHO. I ran a number of comparisons prior to the play-in game that had Wisconsin winning the WCHA tourney, and there were scenerios where UND would just miss the NCAA tourney. Can't seem to find any now.

How about this for a conspiracy theory, lets plug in these results in the tool:

  • CCHA Semifinal #2: Michigan State defeats Michigan.
  • CCHA Semifinal #1: Lake Superior defeats Notre Dame.
  • CCHA Championship game: Lake Superior defeats Michigan State.
  • CCHA Consolation game: Notre Dame defeats Michigan.
  • ECACHL Semifinal #2: Dartmouth defeats Clarkson.
  • ECACHL Semifinal #1: St. Lawrence defeats Quinnipiac.
  • ECACHL Championship game: St. Lawrence defeats Dartmouth.
  • ECACHL Consolation game: Clarkson defeats Quinnipiac.
  • Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston College defeats Boston University.
  • Hockey East Semifinal #1: Massachusetts defeats New Hampshire.
  • Hockey East Championship game: Boston College defeats Massachusetts.
  • WCHA Semifinal #2: St. Cloud State defeats North Dakota.
  • WCHA Semifinal #1: Wisconsin defeats Minnesota.
  • WCHA Championship game: Wisconsin defeats St. Cloud State.
  • WCHA Consolation game: Minnesota defeats North Dakota.
  • Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Army defeats Connecticut.
  • Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Air Force defeats Sacred Heart.
  • Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Air Force defeats Army.

UND ends up with the 12th seed and there are 4 auto births below them. The team at #13 is Maine which owns two road wins against the Sioux and wins the head-to-head comparison. Now, in an effort to avoid subjecting hockey fans to the "hostile and abusive" UND name and logo the NCAA selection committee decides to give Maine the last spot instead of the Sioux. Can't happen ? After seeing how the football team dropped from #2 to #3 I wouldn't rule it out.

If pwr is strictly used and the predicator tool is accurate I can't seem to find any possibility of the Sioux getting knocked out.

I emailed Jason Moy to see if we could still drop below 12 with the MTU loss. He said the below results put UND 13 in the PWR and out of the tourny with 4 autobids below them. Highly unlikely but still possible.

CCHA Semifinal #2: Michigan State defeats Michigan.

CCHA Semifinal #1: Lake Superior defeats Notre Dame.

CCHA Championship game: Michigan State defeats Lake Superior.

CCHA Consolation game: Michigan defeats Notre Dame.

ECACHL Semifinal #2: Clarkson defeats Dartmouth.

ECACHL Semifinal #1: Quinnipiac defeats St. Lawrence.

ECACHL Championship game: Quinnipiac defeats Clarkson.

ECACHL Consolation game: Dartmouth defeats St. Lawrence.

Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston University defeats Boston College.

Hockey East Semifinal #1: Massachusetts defeats New Hampshire.

Hockey East Championship game: Massachusetts defeats Boston University.

WCHA Semifinal #2: St. Cloud State defeats North Dakota.

WCHA Semifinal #1: Wisconsin defeats Minnesota.

WCHA Championship game: Wisconsin defeats St. Cloud State.

WCHA Consolation game: Minnesota defeats North Dakota.

Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Army defeats Connecticut.

Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Air Force defeats Sacred Heart.

Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Army defeats Air Force.

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makes me sick to my stomach. What other team has really had a run like the sioux have the past few months? at least 1/3 of these teams shouldn't even be allowed to ever be in the tournament yet still we could be the last team to not make it... :lol: Wow this makes me laugh.

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Folks, this is why it's ridiculous to play games with the PWR numbers this time of year. The best insurance policy is to win and control your own destiny. Hakstol and the team understand that. It's why he keeps an eye on the big picture, but doesn't spend much time analyzing all the possible scenarios.

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Folks, this is why it's ridiculous to play games with the PWR numbers this time of year. The best insurance policy is to win and control your own destiny. Hakstol and the team understand that. It's why he keeps an eye on the big picture, but doesn't spend much time analyzing all the possible scenarios.

Yeah, but its fun!

I love numbers. :lol:

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Folks, this is why it's ridiculous to play games with the PWR numbers this time of year. The best insurance policy is to win and control your own destiny. Hakstol and the team understand that. It's why he keeps an eye on the big picture, but doesn't spend much time analyzing all the possible scenarios.

I agree with PCM. You can play with the numbers all you want, but the bottom line is working hard every shift and making the most out of your PK and PP. It's a no brainer, play Fighting Sioux hockey like we've been doing and we'll be fine!!

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The other thing that same article said was one win and they are guaranteed.

I like math and all, but I like a sure thing more.

Control what's yours to control.

Win.

Jayson Moy says the Sioux are not out of the woods yet.

The guys won, so what does Moy say about the Sioux and the woods now? And got that tree yet PCM? :lol:

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Any chance for Bucky to still get in ?

This is the best I can come up with:

  • CCHA Championship game: Notre Dame defeats Michigan.
  • CCHA Consolation game: Lake Superior defeats Michigan State.
  • ECACHL Championship game: Clarkson defeats Quinnipiac.
  • ECACHL Consolation game: St. Lawrence defeats Dartmouth.
  • Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston College defeats Boston University.
  • Hockey East Championship game: New Hampshire defeats Boston College.
  • WCHA Championship game: North Dakota defeats Minnesota.
  • WCHA Consolation game: Wisconsin defeats St. Cloud State.
  • Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Air Force defeats Army.

This allows the top 14 PWR teams to gain entry.

Leaves a 3-way tie for 14th:

14t Denver

14t Mich State

14t Wisconsin

The tiebreaker is RPI so Denver would win. No real guarentee the selection committee would have to go that way. They could decide:

1. Denver just got swept at home by Wisconsin, knocking them out of the WCHA.

2. Mich State just went 0-2 in the CCHA playoffs

3. Wisconsin went 2-1 in the WCHA, defending champs, let's give them the bid.

Makes as much sense as anything.

One BIG factor probably eliminates this chance - the west regional is in Denver. $$$$$ Denver makes the tourney.

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Just curious on an item if anyone knows for sure. I haven't been able to find anything definitive on the subject concerning RIT.

USCHO originally didn't include them in their early RPI and Pairwise calculations even though they were in the top 25 of the RPI at that time (because they are ineligible for the NCAA tourney this year), but over the past month, RIT has been included when they have cracked the top 25.

So right now, RIT holds the 25th spot in the RPI, nudging out Mankato from the 25th spot and as a TUC team. This also makes UND lose the 5 TUC wins and one tie against Mankato.

Does anyone know the answer to this? Can RIT be eligible for a TUC team if they are ineligible for the tourney? USCHO seems to think that RIT is considered in the calculations but the SiouxSports calculators leave RIT out of the TUC teams and replaces them with Mankato. Right now that means the difference between a five seed and a number eight seed.

How can RIT be a team under consideration if they are ineligible and can't be considered for the tournament? Hypothetically, what if RIT had an unbelievably great year and was 11th in the Pairwise. Would they be considered if they are ineligible? To me it seems that including RIT as a TUC is contradictory.

Any info would be appreciated. I've googled it and have found conflicting opinions on it but nothing in the form of an official announcement. Thanks.

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Here is what I plugged into the "Pairwise Predictor" on USCHO that will give us the #4 seed overall

Notre Dame beats Michigan

Dartmouth beats St. Lawrence

Quinnipiac beats Clarkson

New Hampshire beats Boston College

Army beats Air Force

North Dakota beats Minnesota (of course)

and there is a .003 bonus (which is what Jay Moy over at USCHO uses)

1 Notre Dame (Nt) 24 .5808*

2 Minnesota (Mn) 23 .5778

3 New Hampshire (NH) 22 .5690*

4 North Dakota (ND) 21 .5638

5t St. Cloud State (SC) 19 .5621

5t Clarkson (Ck) 19 .5581

5t Boston College (BC) 19 .5527*

8t Michigan (Mi) 16 .5489

8t Boston University (BU) 16 .5472

8t Michigan State (MS) 16 .5394

11t Maine (Me) 13 .5367

11t Miami (Mm) 13 .5343

11t Massachusetts (MA) 13 .5328

14t Dartmouth (Da) 9 .5363

14t Denver (DU) 9 .5326

14t Michigan Tech (MT) 9 .5220

17t St. Lawrence (SL) 8 .5324

17t Wisconsin (Wi) 8 .5286

19 Colorado College (CC) 7 .5233

20 Quinnipiac (Qn) 6 .5308

21 Vermont (Vt) 4 .5223

22 Cornell (Cr) 3 .5079

23 Lake Superior (LS) 2 .5119

24 RIT (RT) 1 .5054

25 Nebraska-Omaha (NO) 0 .5052

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