kvinbe Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Using Moy's criteria as specified on the USCHO sight yesterday, the Sioux are now in the NCAA tournament no matter what happens in the remaining WCHA tournament games. In order for the Sioux to have been eliminated from the NCAA tourny, Michigan Tech would have had to win out, and the Sioux would have had to lose in the 3rd place game to Minnesota. Since Michigan Tech lost tonight to Wisconsin, the outside chance that the Sioux would have been left out of the NCAA is no longer a possibility. Now let's go after a #1 seed (which is still possible), or at least a #2 seed. LET'S GO SIOUX!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Sounds good to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochsioux Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Not sure I completely trust the pwr predictor tool on USCHO. I ran a number of comparisons prior to the play-in game that had Wisconsin winning the WCHA tourney, and there were scenerios where UND would just miss the NCAA tourney. Can't seem to find any now. How about this for a conspiracy theory, lets plug in these results in the tool:CCHA Semifinal #2: Michigan State defeats Michigan.CCHA Semifinal #1: Lake Superior defeats Notre Dame.CCHA Championship game: Lake Superior defeats Michigan State.CCHA Consolation game: Notre Dame defeats Michigan.ECACHL Semifinal #2: Dartmouth defeats Clarkson.ECACHL Semifinal #1: St. Lawrence defeats Quinnipiac.ECACHL Championship game: St. Lawrence defeats Dartmouth.ECACHL Consolation game: Clarkson defeats Quinnipiac.Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston College defeats Boston University.Hockey East Semifinal #1: Massachusetts defeats New Hampshire.Hockey East Championship game: Boston College defeats Massachusetts.WCHA Semifinal #2: St. Cloud State defeats North Dakota.WCHA Semifinal #1: Wisconsin defeats Minnesota.WCHA Championship game: Wisconsin defeats St. Cloud State.WCHA Consolation game: Minnesota defeats North Dakota.Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Army defeats Connecticut.Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Air Force defeats Sacred Heart.Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Air Force defeats Army.UND ends up with the 12th seed and there are 4 auto births below them. The team at #13 is Maine which owns two road wins against the Sioux and wins the head-to-head comparison. Now, in an effort to avoid subjecting hockey fans to the "hostile and abusive" UND name and logo the NCAA selection committee decides to give Maine the last spot instead of the Sioux. Can't happen ? After seeing how the football team dropped from #2 to #3 I wouldn't rule it out. If pwr is strictly used and the predicator tool is accurate I can't seem to find any possibility of the Sioux getting knocked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprig Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 The FSN crew was talking about someone from Wisco (player, coach) saying that if they won 2 of 3, the committee might put them in the tourney since they are defending champs. That's back to the smoke filled room days, if the committee starts making arbitrary decisions then mathematical ratings are going down the tubes. Can't see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 The other thing that same article said was one win and they are guaranteed. I like math and all, but I like a sure thing more. Control what's yours to control. Win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Jayson Moy says the Sioux are not out of the woods yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stickboy1956 Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Not sure I completely trust the pwr predictor tool on USCHO. I ran a number of comparisons prior to the play-in game that had Wisconsin winning the WCHA tourney, and there were scenerios where UND would just miss the NCAA tourney. Can't seem to find any now. How about this for a conspiracy theory, lets plug in these results in the tool:CCHA Semifinal #2: Michigan State defeats Michigan.CCHA Semifinal #1: Lake Superior defeats Notre Dame.CCHA Championship game: Lake Superior defeats Michigan State.CCHA Consolation game: Notre Dame defeats Michigan.ECACHL Semifinal #2: Dartmouth defeats Clarkson.ECACHL Semifinal #1: St. Lawrence defeats Quinnipiac.ECACHL Championship game: St. Lawrence defeats Dartmouth.ECACHL Consolation game: Clarkson defeats Quinnipiac.Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston College defeats Boston University.Hockey East Semifinal #1: Massachusetts defeats New Hampshire.Hockey East Championship game: Boston College defeats Massachusetts.WCHA Semifinal #2: St. Cloud State defeats North Dakota.WCHA Semifinal #1: Wisconsin defeats Minnesota.WCHA Championship game: Wisconsin defeats St. Cloud State.WCHA Consolation game: Minnesota defeats North Dakota.Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Army defeats Connecticut.Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Air Force defeats Sacred Heart.Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Air Force defeats Army.UND ends up with the 12th seed and there are 4 auto births below them. The team at #13 is Maine which owns two road wins against the Sioux and wins the head-to-head comparison. Now, in an effort to avoid subjecting hockey fans to the "hostile and abusive" UND name and logo the NCAA selection committee decides to give Maine the last spot instead of the Sioux. Can't happen ? After seeing how the football team dropped from #2 to #3 I wouldn't rule it out. If pwr is strictly used and the predicator tool is accurate I can't seem to find any possibility of the Sioux getting knocked out. I emailed Jason Moy to see if we could still drop below 12 with the MTU loss. He said the below results put UND 13 in the PWR and out of the tourny with 4 autobids below them. Highly unlikely but still possible. CCHA Semifinal #2: Michigan State defeats Michigan. CCHA Semifinal #1: Lake Superior defeats Notre Dame. CCHA Championship game: Michigan State defeats Lake Superior. CCHA Consolation game: Michigan defeats Notre Dame. ECACHL Semifinal #2: Clarkson defeats Dartmouth. ECACHL Semifinal #1: Quinnipiac defeats St. Lawrence. ECACHL Championship game: Quinnipiac defeats Clarkson. ECACHL Consolation game: Dartmouth defeats St. Lawrence. Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston University defeats Boston College. Hockey East Semifinal #1: Massachusetts defeats New Hampshire. Hockey East Championship game: Massachusetts defeats Boston University. WCHA Semifinal #2: St. Cloud State defeats North Dakota. WCHA Semifinal #1: Wisconsin defeats Minnesota. WCHA Championship game: Wisconsin defeats St. Cloud State. WCHA Consolation game: Minnesota defeats North Dakota. Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Army defeats Connecticut. Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Air Force defeats Sacred Heart. Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Army defeats Air Force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luapsided Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Jayson Moy says the Sioux are not out of the woods yet. What did one autobid say to the other autobid..? answer: your gay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luapsided Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 makes me sick to my stomach. What other team has really had a run like the sioux have the past few months? at least 1/3 of these teams shouldn't even be allowed to ever be in the tournament yet still we could be the last team to not make it... Wow this makes me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Folks, this is why it's ridiculous to play games with the PWR numbers this time of year. The best insurance policy is to win and control your own destiny. Hakstol and the team understand that. It's why he keeps an eye on the big picture, but doesn't spend much time analyzing all the possible scenarios. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farce poobah Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Folks, this is why it's ridiculous to play games with the PWR numbers this time of year. The best insurance policy is to win and control your own destiny. Hakstol and the team understand that. It's why he keeps an eye on the big picture, but doesn't spend much time analyzing all the possible scenarios. Yeah, but its fun! I love numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sappysieve Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Folks, this is why it's ridiculous to play games with the PWR numbers this time of year. The best insurance policy is to win and control your own destiny. Hakstol and the team understand that. It's why he keeps an eye on the big picture, but doesn't spend much time analyzing all the possible scenarios. I agree with PCM. You can play with the numbers all you want, but the bottom line is working hard every shift and making the most out of your PK and PP. It's a no brainer, play Fighting Sioux hockey like we've been doing and we'll be fine!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Hey, the winner tomorrow night doesn't worry about PWR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luapsided Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 Hey, the winner tomorrow night doesn't worry about PWR. If we dont get in now ill quit watching/supporting college sports forever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverman Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 I love numbers. I like the tv show Life on Mars. : PCM, I think one more tree fell in the woods today... : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Walrus Posted March 16, 2007 Share Posted March 16, 2007 who should we root for...wisc or minn....or does it matter..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighting Sioux Fan Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Is the NCAA selection show on TV and if so, what channel and what time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Is the NCAA selection show on TV and if so, what channel and what time? 1:30 pm central time, Sunday, ESPN 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecbrevik Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 The other thing that same article said was one win and they are guaranteed. I like math and all, but I like a sure thing more. Control what's yours to control. Win. Jayson Moy says the Sioux are not out of the woods yet. The guys won, so what does Moy say about the Sioux and the woods now? And got that tree yet PCM? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rochsioux Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Any chance for Bucky to still get in ? This is the best I can come up with:CCHA Championship game: Notre Dame defeats Michigan.CCHA Consolation game: Lake Superior defeats Michigan State.ECACHL Championship game: Clarkson defeats Quinnipiac.ECACHL Consolation game: St. Lawrence defeats Dartmouth.Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston College defeats Boston University.Hockey East Championship game: New Hampshire defeats Boston College.WCHA Championship game: North Dakota defeats Minnesota.WCHA Consolation game: Wisconsin defeats St. Cloud State.Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Air Force defeats Army.This allows the top 14 PWR teams to gain entry. Leaves a 3-way tie for 14th: 14t Denver 14t Mich State 14t Wisconsin The tiebreaker is RPI so Denver would win. No real guarentee the selection committee would have to go that way. They could decide: 1. Denver just got swept at home by Wisconsin, knocking them out of the WCHA. 2. Mich State just went 0-2 in the CCHA playoffs 3. Wisconsin went 2-1 in the WCHA, defending champs, let's give them the bid. Makes as much sense as anything. One BIG factor probably eliminates this chance - the west regional is in Denver. $$$$$ Denver makes the tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7NationalTitles Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Just curious on an item if anyone knows for sure. I haven't been able to find anything definitive on the subject concerning RIT. USCHO originally didn't include them in their early RPI and Pairwise calculations even though they were in the top 25 of the RPI at that time (because they are ineligible for the NCAA tourney this year), but over the past month, RIT has been included when they have cracked the top 25. So right now, RIT holds the 25th spot in the RPI, nudging out Mankato from the 25th spot and as a TUC team. This also makes UND lose the 5 TUC wins and one tie against Mankato. Does anyone know the answer to this? Can RIT be eligible for a TUC team if they are ineligible for the tourney? USCHO seems to think that RIT is considered in the calculations but the SiouxSports calculators leave RIT out of the TUC teams and replaces them with Mankato. Right now that means the difference between a five seed and a number eight seed. How can RIT be a team under consideration if they are ineligible and can't be considered for the tournament? Hypothetically, what if RIT had an unbelievably great year and was 11th in the Pairwise. Would they be considered if they are ineligible? To me it seems that including RIT as a TUC is contradictory. Any info would be appreciated. I've googled it and have found conflicting opinions on it but nothing in the form of an official announcement. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeidiSioux62 Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Here is what I plugged into the "Pairwise Predictor" on USCHO that will give us the #4 seed overall Notre Dame beats Michigan Dartmouth beats St. Lawrence Quinnipiac beats Clarkson New Hampshire beats Boston College Army beats Air Force North Dakota beats Minnesota (of course) and there is a .003 bonus (which is what Jay Moy over at USCHO uses) 1 Notre Dame (Nt) 24 .5808* 2 Minnesota (Mn) 23 .5778 3 New Hampshire (NH) 22 .5690* 4 North Dakota (ND) 21 .5638 5t St. Cloud State (SC) 19 .5621 5t Clarkson (Ck) 19 .5581 5t Boston College (BC) 19 .5527* 8t Michigan (Mi) 16 .5489 8t Boston University (BU) 16 .5472 8t Michigan State (MS) 16 .5394 11t Maine (Me) 13 .5367 11t Miami (Mm) 13 .5343 11t Massachusetts (MA) 13 .5328 14t Dartmouth (Da) 9 .5363 14t Denver (DU) 9 .5326 14t Michigan Tech (MT) 9 .5220 17t St. Lawrence (SL) 8 .5324 17t Wisconsin (Wi) 8 .5286 19 Colorado College (CC) 7 .5233 20 Quinnipiac (Qn) 6 .5308 21 Vermont (Vt) 4 .5223 22 Cornell (Cr) 3 .5079 23 Lake Superior (LS) 2 .5119 24 RIT (RT) 1 .5054 25 Nebraska-Omaha (NO) 0 .5052 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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