The Whistler Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Best bet for success at the F5 - 3rd place reg season finish and a play the Fri afternoon game and watch the Gophers and the Badgers/Pioneers/Tigers battle it out Fri Night. You talked me into it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Still, you have to play with tired legs against a fresh team. The other thing is that if you win Thursday and lose Friday you wind up playing the #2 or #3 seed team Saturday after playing two games. The #2 or #3 team played Friday afternoon at not at all on Thursday. That does put the winner of Thursday nights game at a disadvantage. Hopefully that wouldn't drop you out of the tournament, but it could. Has anyone said that we just need to keep winning? I am thinking two words Briggs or Frazee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighting Sioux 23 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I think when it comes to RPI it counts as a loss but with TUC and COP it counts as 1/2 a win. For TUC and COP think of it like points...for example: Team A has a record of 10-5-0 and Team B has a record of 8-3-4. Team A would have 10 wins for 20 points out of 30 possible, so that would be .6667 win% Team B would have 8 wins for 16 points and 4 ties for 4 points for 20 points total out of 30 possible, and again a .6667 win % So, two ties would equal 1 win and 1 loss because it would be gaining two points out of a possible four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighting Sioux 23 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 For UND to have a good shot at getting a #1 seed they would basically need the following: Sweep Denver Sweep St. Cloud Sweep 1st Round Series Win Semi-final game and Championship game, one of which is against St. Cloud If this happened, they would most likely tip the following comparisons: Denver (We'd likely sweep all points in the comparison) Michigan (We'd flip the TUC point, giving us a 2-1 advantage) Boston College (We'd flip TUC point, giving us a 2-1 advantage) Maine (We'd flip RPI point, giving us a 2-2 tie w/RPI tiebreaker) Boston University(We'd flip RPI and TUC, giving us a 2-1 advantage) Clarkson (We'd flip RPI and TUC, giving us a 2-1 advantage) St. Cloud (They'd have us in RPI, TUC and COP, but we'd have 4 H2H wins, thus a 4-3 advantage) That would give the Sioux 21 PWR Comparisons, and be 4th in the standings, thus getting the last #1 seed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoiler92 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 For UND to have a good shot at getting a #1 seed they would basically need the following: Sweep Denver Sweep St. Cloud Sweep 1st Round Series Win Semi-final game and Championship game, one of which is against St. Cloud If this happened, they would most likely tip the following comparisons: Denver (We'd likely sweep all points in the comparison) Michigan (We'd flip the TUC point, giving us a 2-1 advantage) Boston College (We'd flip TUC point, giving us a 2-1 advantage) Maine (We'd flip RPI point, giving us a 2-2 tie w/RPI tiebreaker) Boston University(We'd flip RPI and TUC, giving us a 2-1 advantage) Clarkson (We'd flip RPI and TUC, giving us a 2-1 advantage) St. Cloud (They'd have us in RPI, TUC and COP, but we'd have 4 H2H wins, thus a 4-3 advantage) That would give the Sioux 21 PWR Comparisons, and be 4th in the standings, thus getting the last #1 seed. That is alot of work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7NationalTitles Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 That is alot of work! A win tonight can flip three comparisons.....Michigan, Denver, and Boston College. And with some other help tonight from other teams they might also be able to flip the Maine and Clarkson comparisons. But flipping those two tonight would be hard because a lot of things would need to happen just right. If the Sioux take care of their business tonight, they are back up to a #2 seed. If they can somehow sweep this weekend, they will be a solid #2 seed heading into the St. Cloud series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnami Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 For UND to have a good shot at getting a #1 seed they would basically need the following: Sweep Denver Sweep St. Cloud Sweep 1st Round Series Win Semi-final game and Championship game, one of which is against St. Cloud If this happened, they would most likely tip the following comparisons: Denver (We'd likely sweep all points in the comparison) Michigan (We'd flip the TUC point, giving us a 2-1 advantage) Boston College (We'd flip TUC point, giving us a 2-1 advantage) Maine (We'd flip RPI point, giving us a 2-2 tie w/RPI tiebreaker) Boston University(We'd flip RPI and TUC, giving us a 2-1 advantage) Clarkson (We'd flip RPI and TUC, giving us a 2-1 advantage) St. Cloud (They'd have us in RPI, TUC and COP, but we'd have 4 H2H wins, thus a 4-3 advantage) That would give the Sioux 21 PWR Comparisons, and be 4th in the standings, thus getting the last #1 seed. You know what would really help? Maine has to forfeit their 2 games for using ineligible players. That would flip many comparisons and give use a bonus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighting Sioux 23 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 You know what would really help? Maine has to forfeit their 2 games for using ineligible players. That would flip many comparisons and give use a bonus... We wouldn't get a bonus for winning those games because they were played at home. The bonus is for quality ROAD wins. But yeah, that would definitely help us out in the TUC and RPI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnami Posted February 25, 2007 Author Share Posted February 25, 2007 We wouldn't get a bonus for winning those games because they were played at home. The bonus is for quality ROAD wins. But yeah, that would definitely help us out in the TUC and RPI. Really , tell me more of your extensive knowledge... This may or may not be true. The NCAA doesn't release the formula and in previous years, it has been speculated that home of neutral site wins may or may not help, I really don't know one way or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farce poobah Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Really , tell me more of your extensive knowledge... This may or may not be true. The NCAA doesn't release the formula and in previous years, it has been speculated that home of neutral site wins may or may not help, I really don't know one way or the other. http://www.uscho.com/FAQs/?data=selection#b8 Q: What about this "good wins" or "bonus points" criteria? Isn't this just a subjective fudge factor? The so-called bonus for "good wins," instituted for the 2003 tournament, is not subjective. Teams get bonus percentage points added to their RPI for defeating teams that finish the season in the Top 15 of RPI. For 2006-07, the bonus criterion was altered to give points only for a road win, as opposed to the old system, under which home and neutral-site wins also counted, albeit less than road wins. This further limits the importance of this factor. The amount of bonus points awarded has not been made public by the NCAA, but it is a fixed and finite amount. Because the committee chooses to keep the amount of the bonus secret, it opens itself up to people believing its used as a fudge factor. You'll have to trust us that it's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 http://www.uscho.com/FAQs/?data=selection#b8 Q: What about this "good wins" or "bonus points" criteria? Isn't this just a subjective fudge factor? The so-called bonus for "good wins," instituted for the 2003 tournament, is not subjective. Teams get bonus percentage points added to their RPI for defeating teams that finish the season in the Top 15 of RPI. For 2006-07, the bonus criterion was altered to give points only for a road win, as opposed to the old system, under which home and neutral-site wins also counted, albeit less than road wins. This further limits the importance of this factor. The amount of bonus points awarded has not been made public by the NCAA, but it is a fixed and finite amount. Because the committee chooses to keep the amount of the bonus secret, it opens itself up to people believing its used as a fudge factor. You'll have to trust us that it's not. You would think that beating SLU, C.C. 2X, MN (2X) DU would help the Sioux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farce poobah Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 You would think that beating SLU, C.C. 2X, MN (2X) DU would help the Sioux. It does, but the road win bonus is only nonconference. And the SLU is "neutral" not road. No bonus for us (unless Dartmouth gets into the top 15.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZSIOUX Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 we go to #9 in the pairwise with a .003 bonus..great win sioux. next is a crack at the #4 team in the pairwise scsu...lets get em!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 It does, but the road win bonus is only nonconference. And the SLU is "neutral" not road. No bonus for us (unless Dartmouth gets into the top 15.) Gotcha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7NationalTitles Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Really , tell me more of your extensive knowledge... This may or may not be true. The NCAA doesn't release the formula and in previous years, it has been speculated that home of neutral site wins may or may not help, I really don't know one way or the other. Yeah, good one 'Nami. Nothing like trying to be sarcastic and humorous but in the process of doing so being totally wrong. Thanks, I needed the good laugh tonight. As was stated above in this thread, the bonus factor is for road wins against teams in the top 15 of the RPI at that point in time. It doesn't matter if they were in the top 15 when you played them, they have to be in the top 15 of the RPI at the end of the season or at that point in time you are calculating the Pairwise (such as now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnami Posted February 25, 2007 Author Share Posted February 25, 2007 Yeah, good one 'Nami. Nothing like trying to be sarcastic and humorous but in the process of doing so being totally wrong. Thanks, I needed the good laugh tonight. As was stated above in this thread, the bonus factor is for road wins against teams in the top 15 of the RPI at that point in time. It doesn't matter if they were in the top 15 when you played them, they have to be in the top 15 of the RPI at the end of the season or at that point in time you are calculating the Pairwise (such as now). My comment was based on the amount of analysis put forth on the goofy scenario... Is that quote USCHO speculation or an actual release? I thought bonuses were still speculation. This bonus is a really bad deal for WCHA teams, because we very rarely schedule WCHA opponents for non WCHA games. Because you don't know who will be top 15 at the end of the season, some of this will be luck, however if you are a WCHA team, you can rest assured that you will not be playing half of these teams in a non-conference game. If you are a non-WCHA team this is great, there may only be 1 or 2 teams in your conference that reduce your chances. Right now there happen to be only 4 but MSU, Tech, CC and Wisco, have been there. 1. Minnesota 0.5905(1) 24-7-3 34 0.7500 0.5409 0.5360 0 0.5905(1) 2. St Cloud St 0.5835 20-6-6 32 0.7188 0.5573 0.5311 0 0.5835 3. New Hampshire 0.5717(2) 20-7-2 29 0.7241 0.5341 0.5157 0 0.5717(2) 4. Notre Dame 0.5711 27-6-3 36 0.7917 0.4815 0.5039 1 0.5741 5. Clarkson 0.5558 21-8-5 34 0.6912 0.5190 0.5074 0 0.5558 6. Boston University 0.5533 18-6-9 33 0.6818 0.5109 0.5103 1 0.5563 7. Denver 0.5486 21-12-3 36 0.6250 0.5247 0.5225 0 0.5486 8. Maine 0.5478 21-10-2 33 0.6667 0.5076 0.5084 2 0.5538 9. Michigan 0.5449 23-12-1 36 0.6528 0.5145 0.5068 0 0.5449 10. North Dakota 0.5442 18-12-4 34 0.5882 0.5332 0.5281 1 0.5472 11. Boston College 0.5416 20-11-1 32 0.6406 0.4893 0.5161 0 0.5416 12. Miami 0.5416 23-11-4 38 0.6579 0.4954 0.5057 1 0.5446 13. St. Lawrence 0.5363 20-12-2 34 0.6176 0.5178 0.5058 0 0.5363 14. Michigan State 0.5354 19-12-3 34 0.6029 0.5288 0.5067 0 0.5354 15. Dartmouth 0.5319 16-10-3 29 0.6034 0.5218 0.5028 0 0.5319 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7NationalTitles Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Is that quote USCHO speculation or an actual release? I thought bonuses were still speculation. The bonus is for road wins only. The only speculation is the amount of bonus points awarded and there has been good speculation that it is in the .003 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 The bonus is for road wins only. The only speculation is the amount of bonus points awarded and there has been good speculation that it is in the .003 range. Visitors to SiouxSports.com's RPI page could learn everything that's known about the RPI, including both the fact that an unknown number of bonus points are awarded only for road wins and the link to the NCAA release announcing that change for '06-'07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnami Posted March 3, 2007 Author Share Posted March 3, 2007 After Friday UND has 17 comparisons. If UND beats SCCC tonight they get close to flipping Maine and BU. If they can win the rest of their games vs TUCs they have a shot at flipping Clarkson. Best case scenario, UND will end up with 19 or 20 comparisons. UND is NOT likely to flip UMTC, SCCC, Notre Dame, or NH. This means we can basically end up a top #2 seed. This also means we are not likely to be in the West regional, as Devner will likely be there as a #2 or #3 seed and UND couldn't play them in the first round. As much as I wouldn't be a fan of this we might be looking at a first game vs. Michigan in Michigan (The only good thing about this is the winner might get Notre Dame in the quarter). As Always if we are not a #1 seed, which we won't be, I hope we go out East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farce poobah Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 After Friday UND has 17 comparisons. If UND beats SCCC tonight they get close to flipping Maine and BU. If they can win the rest of their games vs TUCs they have a shot at flipping Clarkson. Best case scenario, UND will end up with 19 or 20 comparisons. UND is NOT likely to flip UMTC, SCCC, Notre Dame, or NH. This means we can basically end up a top #2 seed. This also means we are not likely to be in the West regional, as Devner will likely be there as a #2 or #3 seed and UND couldn't play them in the first round. As much as I wouldn't be a fan of this we might be looking at a first game vs. Michigan in Michigan (The only good thing about this is the winner might get Notre Dame in the quarter). As Always if we are not a #1 seed, which we won't be, I hope we go out East. There is still a possibility that Denver gets in as a #4 seed (just lose a couple more) which would presumably mean Notre Dame goes to #1 West and Minnesota or SCSU would then be the #1 in Grand Rapids. In that scenario, with the Sioux as a #2 or #3 seed, we might get sent to Denver. But if Denver stays a #2 or #3, then I agree its highly unlikely we go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 My comment was based on the amount of analysis put forth on the goofy scenario... 1. Minnesota 0.5905(1) 24-7-3 34 0.7500 0.5409 0.5360 0 0.5905(1) 2. St Cloud St 0.5835 20-6-6 32 0.7188 0.5573 0.5311 0 0.5835 4. Notre Dame 0.5711 27-6-3 36 0.7917 0.4815 0.5039 1 0.5741 5. Clarkson 0.5558 21-8-5 34 0.6912 0.5190 0.5074 0 0.5558 7. Denver 0.5486 21-12-3 36 0.6250 0.5247 0.5225 0 0.5486 10. North Dakota 0.5442 18-12-4 34 0.5882 0.5332 0.5281 1 0.5472 Check out how weak ND's and Clarkson's schedule is. That is a travesty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Whistler Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Check out how weak ND's and Clarkson's schedule is. That is a travesty. According to the info on the KRACH poll Notre Dame's strength of schedule is #35 and Clarkson is #30. Those guys will get brushed aside in the regionals. They may even be inherently good teams, but they aren't ready to play tough competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 would love to play the other ND in the regional....just stick it up their *ss.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedFrog Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 If we do, in fact, get Mankato next weekend, what are the chances that we knock them out of being a TUC? Edit: Sioux are in 6th all by themselves in the Pairwise as of right now (CC/DU game still pending.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxnami Posted March 4, 2007 Author Share Posted March 4, 2007 Niagara drops from a TUC and the Clarkson comparison flips the Sioux sitting at 5 or 6. But if MSUM drops UND will fall a ways. Playing Tech would have been much better for us, but we just need to take care of MSUM and hope they hang on to #25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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