star2city Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 While still awaiting UND's schedule for the fall, former NCC member UNC issued their schedule. There are only four I-AA schools that they will play, all away. Overall, their schedule is probably weaker than last years, as they play such powerhouses as NMex Highlands, W Wash, and Western St. Apparently, scheduling as a I-AA football independent is not all that easy. Opponent - Location New Mexico Highlands - Greeley, Colo. Western State - Gunnison, Colo. Idaho St - Pocatello, Idaho Minnesota State, Mankato - Greeley, Colo. Montana St - Bozeman, Mont. Western Washington - Greeley, Colo. Florida Atlantic - Away - TBA Adams St - Greeley, Colo. Southern Utah - Cedar City, Utah Augustana (S.D.) - Greeley, Colo. UC-Davis - Davis, Calif. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonguy Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 Here is NDSU's: Date Opponent Location Time/Results 08/30/2003 TUSCULUM FARGO 7:00 pm 09/06/2003 Montana Missoula, MT 1:05 pm 09/13/2003 CALIFORNIA-DAVIS FARGO 7:00 pm 09/20/2003 OPEN DATE 09/27/2003 SOUTH DAKOTA STATE FARGO 7:00 pm 10/04/2003 Minnesota State-Mankato Mankato, MN TBA 10/11/2003 NEBRASKA-OMAHA FARGO 1:00 pm 10/18/2003 North Dakota Grand Forks, ND TBA 10/25/2003 Augustana Sioux Falls, SD TBA 11/01/2003 SOUTH DAKOTA FARGO 1:00 pm 11/08/2003 St. Cloud State St. Cloud, MN TBA 11/15/2003 OPEN DATE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 stars: Getting strong DIIs to play games at UND (or NDSU for that matter) was difficult. Ask Roger Thomas about trying to get Carson-Newman to come in for a game sometime. Most IAAs want to be home (for the gate) or, if they go on the road, go for a major payday (even if it is a bodybag game). You can't blame them. It's all about the Benjamins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYOBISONMAN Posted March 11, 2003 Share Posted March 11, 2003 I would suspect that after this year UNC and Cal Davis will probably be regulars on the NDSU sched. as each school looks for D1AA competition. It will be interesting to see who new will appear on the NDSU schedule. I would guess that the worse NDSU is the easier it will be to get games. If the Bison happen to get a real tough team early on it would not help the scheduling out at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverman Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 While still awaiting UND's schedule for the fall, former NCC member UNC issued their schedule. There are only four I-AA schools that they will play, all away. Overall, their schedule is probably weaker than last years, as they play such powerhouses as NMex Highlands, W Wash, and Western St. Apparently, scheduling as a I-AA football independent is not all that easy. Opponent - Location New Mexico Highlands - Greeley, Colo. Western State - Gunnison, Colo. Idaho St - Pocatello, Idaho Minnesota State, Mankato - Greeley, Colo. Montana St - Bozeman, Mont. Western Washington - Greeley, Colo. Florida Atlantic - Away - TBA Adams St - Greeley, Colo. Southern Utah - Cedar City, Utah Augustana (S.D.) - Greeley, Colo. UC-Davis - Davis, Calif. Yikes! So the others on the list are D2? So does this mean in four years they will be able to play in the play off's? Since not all teams are D1aa won't this hurt their chance? Bison Kent help us out here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 So does this mean in four years they will be able to play in the play off's? Since not all teams are D1aa won't this hurt their chance? Bison Kent help us out here. Though you didn't ask me... My understanding was that next year (2003-04) is UNC's provisional year. It is supposed to intentionally include a mix of D-IAA and D-II opponents. Their first year for D-IAA tournament eligibility would then be 2007-08 (at one point the UNC FAQ on that issue stated that eligibility would begin in 2008-09, so apparently they were confused, too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison_Kent Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 I am not sure how UNC is getting away with it. I thought (by the NDSU I-AA Carr Report) that the team was to play a majority of Division I teams at the start of the four year probabitionary period (last year was their exploritory year). This would mean 4-5 games could be against D2 teams but the remainder would be I-AA or I-A teams. I am not sure that they are being compliant to the I-AA rules but I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonguy Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 I think the "exploratory" year takes into account a current conference affiliation. Maybe the NCAA likes to see a team play the majority of it's non-conference schedule at the IAA level. NDSU only has two IAA schools on the "exploratory" year schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Help me out here. Do I have these correct? New Mexico Highlands: DII Western State: DII Idaho St: DIAA Minnesota State, Mankato: DII Montana St: DIAA Western Washington: DII Florida Atlantic: DIAA Adams St: DII Southern Utah: DIAA (just starting their transition) Augustana (S.D.): DII UC-Davis: DIAA (just starting their transition?, or still DII) They are playing three established IAAs and two teams just starting to transition just like themselves, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYOBISONMAN Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Yes, you are right about who is D2 and who is D1AA on the UNC sched. I am very surprised by this. My understanding is that they have to be playing a "D1AA" sched. next year. Right now it looks to me that UNC played a tougher schedule last year than this years will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Didn't UNC have issues with the NCC because of travel to far away places like ND, SD, and MN. So WA, CA, and FL is better? A travel comparison (miles, costs, payments if any) would be interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Sicatoka, As WyoBisonman stated, you are correct on the DI-AA, DII lists, but I think Southern Utah has been AA for awhile. Also, I'm pretty sure last year was UNC's provisionary year. I guess I'm just as confused as everyone else, I thought UNC would have to play a full slate I-AA teams this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonguy Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 Didn't UNC have issues with the NCC because of travel to far away places like ND, SD, and MN. So WA, CA, and FL is better? A travel comparison (miles, costs, payments if any) would be interesting. UNC is still making a trip to MN and SD this year, so it's even more confusing. UC-Davis will be DIAA in 2003, but their schedule resembled a DIAA schedule when they were D2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BisonMav Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 I do not know that there are any restrictions on your schedule for I-AA. It is required to have a I-AA minimum schedule two years prior to be qualified for a championship. UNC does not qualify for a championship until the five year period is over. So probably by the third year they should have a I-AA schedule. Does anyone else have additional information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxrock Posted March 12, 2003 Share Posted March 12, 2003 i hope the sioux have a tough schedule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Here is the 2003 UND football schedule: Date Opponent Time/Result Sep 6 MINNESOTA-CROOKSTON TBA Sep 13 at Mesa State College (Grand Junction, Colo.) Sep 20 NEWBERRY COLLEGE TBA Sep 27 AUGUSTANA COLLEGE * (HOMECOMING) TBA Oct 4 ST. CLOUD STATE * TBA Oct 11 at South Dakota State * (Brookings, S.D.) TBA Oct 18 NORTH DAKOTA STATE * TBA Oct 25 at MSU-Mankato * (Mankato, Minn.) TBA Nov 1 NEBRASKA-OMAHA * TBA Nov 8 at South Dakota * (Vermillion, S.D.) 1 p.m. Nov 22 vs. NCAA Division II Playoffs (First Round) TBA Nov 29 vs. NCAA Division II Quarterfinals TBA Dec 6 vs. NCAA Division II Semi-finals TBA Dec 13 vs. NCAA Division II Championship Game (Florence, AL) TBA All home games denoted in bold CAPS I certainly can't say I'm excited about any of the non-conference games, or the fact that it's apparently only going to be a 10-game schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxrock Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 where did u get this? how coem we only have 10? i think we should schedule osme with duluth sicne they are gonna be in the NCC soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 The schedule I posted above can be found on www.fightingsioux.com. I assume it was posted within the past week since I had checked before and there were no non-conference games included, plus the Northern Colorado game was still included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison_Kent Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 What kind of schedule is this? No team on the schedule made any playoffs last year. Newberry was a 1-10 team. Minn-Crookston was also 1-10. Mesa State had a record of 5-6. If UND doesn't win by 4 touchdowns in each of these games, I would call each game a loss. I guess scheduling tough non-conference teams is a thing of the past for UND. No more Central Washington's that might upset the Sioux at home. Only pansies from now on. Let's look at NDSU's non-conference schedule. Tusculum finished 7-4 and is considered to be a front runner in the South Atlantic Conference in DII. Next comes the two time I-AA champion, Montana, a team that made it to the quarterfinals of the I-AA playoffs last year. And if that is not enough, we next have Cal-Davis, a DII semi-finalist from last year who is the first year of I-AA action. If UND and NDSU finish with identical records in the conference, who do you think the playoff committee is going to pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 If UND and NDSU finish with identical records in the conference, who do you think the playoff committee is going to pick? Probably whichever team wins the head-to-head matchup, don't you think? I don't think any Sioux fan is going to be making the case that this is a good non-conference schedule. It isn't. But in the end, it's the conference schedule that makes or breaks the season. If NDSU loses to UND again, the fact that NDSU played a better non-conference schedule will be pretty small consolation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonguy Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 In defense of UND, they did play Mesa last year, and it looks to be a home/home. Newberry, on the other hand, is a mystery. I don't understand why they would want to schedule another 1-10 team. Maybe UND will use their non-conf. schedule to plead to these schools not to reduce scholarships. How much fun would DII be if UND couldn't beat up on some bottom-feeders every year? UM-Crookston should be able to put up a fight this year. All 40 plus of the freshman on the team will be sophmores this year. The six team regional selection should be interesting this year. Six is divisible by 3. Two teams from the NCC,MIAA, and NSIC would be the easy way out for the NCAA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxrock Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 ur just jealous cuz we have been better then u since 93 oo ya have fun gettin spanked on ur schedule then none of the conference wont want u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverman Posted March 29, 2003 Share Posted March 29, 2003 If UND and NDSU finish with identical records in the conference, who do you think the playoff committee is going to pick? BK, Nice of you to point this out. However remember the NC$$ does look at w's and l's. Besides why would NDSU care since they soon will be D1aa?Why would you want to brag about a little D2 title when we all know it would be a slap in the face for a future powerhouse D1 program? I suppose you could argue the point that D2 is is dying yadda,yadda, watered down yadda,yadda."should"you win any D2 titles.Am I correct? I will agree with one point. Crookston are you kidding me?UND is going to charge me for watching this game.(should I go)RT c'mon,this would be like playing a MAAC hockey team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted March 29, 2003 Share Posted March 29, 2003 I will agree with one point. Crookston are you kidding me?UND is going to charge me for watching this game.(should I go)RT c'mon,this would be like playing a MAACÂ hockey team. I really have no idea why this series is continuing. UND obviously has nothing to gain because the previous UMC games have all been extremely lopsided, and Crookston has little to gain because, well, the games have all been extremely lopsided. I understand the difficulty of scheduling decent non-conference opponents without having to shell out big bucks, but I would have to assume that at a minimum, you can get one or more home-and-home series with decent opponents. Please, Roger, no more UMC games after this year! Nobody wants to see this game! But with all that having been said, UND does still have the best home conference schedule in the NCC so hopefully the Sioux can take advantage of it. Considering last year's record, I imagine the Sioux will be picked in the middle of the pack in the NCC, but I honestly think that UND can win the league if the defense is a little more consistent and Bowenkamp makes good decisions. The talent is there, and the team should have sufficient motivation after last year's disappointing performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison_Kent Posted March 29, 2003 Share Posted March 29, 2003 I agree the talent level is declining in DII but there are still some good teams. I will give you Mesa State as an average opponent. The other two are bottom feeders though. If UND would get a descent 11th game, I think this would really help out their playoff possibilities. Quality of opponents might mean a trip to the playoffs. Look at St. Cloud last year. They finished 9-2 and second in the NCC and didn't get invited. They played three under .500 non-conference teams last year. This year, St. Cloud is playing Pitt. State because of this. With Northern Colorado out of the conference, I think St. Cloud has to be considered the front runner to begin the season with Neb-Omaha, UND, and NDSU picked after (in no particular order). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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